Money is so tight and loans are out of the question for such a young company. I do agree getting new or near new vehicle is the best option to avoid being truckless or vanless.
I think for this upcoming week we'll just find some junker and make sure it at least runs so have a spare vehicle but in the future just have a new machine ready to go. I don't see a clear line between truck and van so I think we'll just look for the best deal at the time. Hopefully those new Dodge trucks with the remote locked cabinets come down soon =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:55 PM, jp <[email protected]> wrote: > Dodge Caravans are indeed good under-rated vehicles. We used to have one > and kept it till the automatic transmission broke, which is apparently > inevitable. Our had racks inside, roof rack, all white, big logo, etc... > > The 4cyl and small-v6 ones are quite efficient. FWD with snow tires are > unstoppable, and some have AWD as well. > > Growing up, we had caravans as family vehicles and hauled a huge amount > of stuff in them when necessary. I drove it on the highway for 7 hours > once before needing to gas up. > > Most of us are mechanically inclined, but I'd rather my guys be out > doing stuff for customers or making the company money rather than > tinkering with vehicles. We work with local independent mechanics when > we need something fixed. We tend to have enough vehicles that if one is > out of service for a couple days, all the work can still get done. > I treat personal transportation the same way; instead of 2 newish cars, > we have 3-4 used cars and if one's broken for a while, no big deal. > > Excise tax in Maine on new cars is obscene and is based on sticker > price; something with a $35000 sticker will cost about $1000 in excise > tax the first year, plus sales tax, etc... > > On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 10:15:00AM -0800, [email protected] wrote: > > Well, my Caravans both were under $500 and I've gotten a lot of miles for > > that. I've put perhaps $500 total into repairing them in the last two > > years, as well. Of course, I do my own mechanic work. I'm better than > > almost any shop you can find, so why would I pay for inferior work? > > > > I guess it mostly boils down to how much depreciation you want to pay > for, > > and are you willing to have "down" time now and then. I just have an > extra > > rig, so... no problem. Not everyone wants to put up with that. It's > > really a cost/return/value thing. > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > <insert witty tagline here> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle > > > > > > >I am looking for a cost effective vehicle. Anything heavy will do the > > > job of teaching ricers a lesson. Like an H1. > > > > > > On 2/3/09, Brad Belton <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and > putting > > >> away a couple Civics. That truly must be one fast Goat! <grin> > > >> > > >> Just ribb'n ya Mark. Now back to our regular programming... > > >> > > >> Best, > > >> > > >> > > >> Brad > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > > >> Behalf Of [email protected] > > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM > > >> To: WISPA General List > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle > > >> > > >> > > >> It's ok. You don't know my truck. I do. > > >> > > >> I've put fast ricers away on the street. And they never try again. > > >> That > > >> perfectly aimed exhaust "teaches" :) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >> <insert witty tagline here> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Brad Belton" <[email protected]> > > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle > > >> > > >> > > >>> Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this > > >>> particular > > >>> Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec. > > >>> > > >>> In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low > > >>> 16sec > > >>> Excursions in STOCK trim. > > >>> > > >>> 16sec must only "feel" fast in a Dodge Goat....<grin> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Brad > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > > >>> Behalf Of [email protected] > > >>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM > > >>> To: WISPA General List > > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle > > >>> > > >>> Grin... My '93 wasn't "quite" stock, but I used to have a timeslip > from > > >>> a > > >>> dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it. > > >>> > > >>> Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15... And his > > >>> excursion > > >>> would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :) > > >>> > > >>> I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck > and > > >>> trailer were 23K combined. Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still > > >>> netted > > >>> me 10.5 - 11 mpg . > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >>> <insert witty tagline here> > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> > > >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > > >>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins... > not > > >>>> so > > >>>> much pep compared to the new ones). > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ----- > > >>>> Mike Hammett > > >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >>>> http://www.ics-il.com > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> From: "Brad Belton" <[email protected]> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM > > >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle > > >>>> > > >>>>> My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still > > >>>>> gets > > >>>>> 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm > pulling. > > >>>>> It > > >>>>> used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel > > >>>>> it's > > >>>>> probably due for a tune up of some kind. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It does have a custom chip & exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY > > >>>>> Diesel > > >>>>> Dodge I've run across. <grin> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Brad > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] > > >>>>> On > > >>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM > > >>>>> To: WISPA General List > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Fords have terrible mileage. 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