I bought a ford and they financed it. No interest.
I'm pretty certain they are working deals to get them sold.
Supposedly the truck I bought had a sticker and is worth 29k and I got 
it for 23k.

And some of that money we all have been talking about:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090204/ap_on_go_co/congress_stimulus


Josh Luthman wrote:
> Money is so tight and loans are out of the question for such a young
> company.  I do agree getting new or near new vehicle is the best option to
> avoid being truckless or vanless.
> 
> I think for this upcoming week we'll just find some junker and make sure it
> at least runs so have a spare vehicle but in the future just have a new
> machine ready to go.  I don't see a clear line between truck and van so I
> think we'll just look for the best deal at the time.  Hopefully those new
> Dodge trucks with the remote locked cabinets come down soon =)
> 
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> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:55 PM, jp <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Dodge Caravans are indeed good under-rated vehicles. We used to have one
>> and kept it till the automatic transmission broke, which is apparently
>> inevitable. Our had racks inside, roof rack, all white, big logo, etc...
>>
>> The 4cyl and small-v6 ones are quite efficient. FWD with snow tires are
>> unstoppable, and some have AWD as well.
>>
>> Growing up, we had caravans as family vehicles and hauled a huge amount
>> of stuff in them when necessary. I drove it on the highway for 7 hours
>> once before needing to gas up.
>>
>> Most of us are mechanically inclined, but I'd rather my guys be out
>> doing stuff for customers or making the company money rather than
>> tinkering with vehicles. We work with local independent mechanics when
>> we need something fixed. We tend to have enough vehicles that if one is
>> out of service for a couple days, all the work can still get done.
>> I treat personal transportation the same way; instead of 2 newish cars,
>> we have 3-4 used cars and if one's broken for a while, no big deal.
>>
>> Excise tax in Maine on new cars is obscene and is based on sticker
>> price; something with a $35000 sticker will cost about $1000 in excise
>> tax the first year, plus sales tax, etc...
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 10:15:00AM -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>> Well, my Caravans both were under $500 and I've gotten a lot of miles for
>>> that.  I've put perhaps $500 total into repairing them in the last two
>>> years, as well.  Of course, I do my own mechanic work.  I'm better than
>>> almost any shop you can find, so why would I pay for inferior work?
>>>
>>> I guess it mostly boils down to how much depreciation you want to pay
>> for,
>>> and are you willing to have "down" time now and then.   I just have an
>> extra
>>> rig, so... no problem.   Not everyone wants to put up with that.   It's
>>> really a cost/return/value thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> <insert witty tagline here>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
>>>> job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/3/09, Brad Belton <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and
>> putting
>>>>> away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   <grin>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.
>>>>> That
>>>>> perfectly aimed exhaust "teaches" :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> <insert witty tagline here>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Brad Belton" <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this
>>>>>> particular
>>>>>> Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low
>>>>>> 16sec
>>>>>> Excursions in STOCK trim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 16sec must only "feel" fast in a Dodge Goat....<grin>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of [email protected]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grin...  My '93 wasn't "quite" stock, but I used to have a timeslip
>> from
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his
>>>>>> excursion
>>>>>> would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck
>> and
>>>>>> trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still
>>>>>> netted
>>>>>> me 10.5 - 11 mpg .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> <insert witty tagline here>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...
>>  not
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> much pep compared to the new ones).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Brad Belton" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
>>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still
>>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>>> 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm
>> pulling.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> probably due for a tune up of some kind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It does have a custom chip & exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY
>>>>>>>> Diesel
>>>>>>>> Dodge I've run across.  <grin>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:
>> [email protected]]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM
>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9
>>>>>>>> (doesn't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge
>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>> OEM
>>>>>>>> software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in
>> hilly
>>>>>>>> terrain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "George Rogato" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM
>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 11mpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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