It may be worthwhile to consider a Dodge/Mercedes/Freightliner Sprinter 
Van. The drawback is that they have a high roof line, but they do get 20 
+ mpg in motorhome trim, and 25-30 mpg bare. They are Diesel and the 
engines are supposed to be good for 400,000 - 500,000 miles.

John


George Rogato wrote:
> Thats a hard one Josh, cost effective.
> I've been driving rigs since I got out of trade school in 76', sometimes 
> being cheap on the front end is a mistake, unless you have a talent of 
> finding  killer deals by chance.
>
> For me, I enjoyed the last van I drove, it was a 98 ford long van and I 
> went 10 years with nothing other than the usual maintenance.
> No surprise engine or transmission problems, just reliable.
> It was almost new when we bought it so we saved a few grand.
> I couldn't imagine buying an older vehicle that will hand me a big 
> surprise and at the worst possible time. Cause seems like that when it 
> happens.
>
> So new or almost is my choice.
>
> I like long vans.
>
> Long enough to slide my 10' step ladder in.
> I would use a pick up truck, but the rain is a problem 1/2 the year. So 
> it's a van.
>
> As for gas millage, I have never seen a work truck thats loaded with 
> equipment get better than 12 miles to the gallon.
> And if you buy a light weight vehicle and load it up with a lot of 
> equipment like a mini van, expect to be doing tranny work fairly often.
>
> So it's a heavy duty vehicle which means bigger engine and low gas mileage.
>
> One thing that will save fuel costs is scheduling service calls in an 
> orderly loop if it can be done. Instead of zig zagging across town, a 
> straight line. Although zig zagging sometimes can't be avoided.
>
> George
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>   
>> I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
>> job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.
>>
>> On 2/3/09, Brad Belton <[email protected]> wrote:
>>     
>>> Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting
>>> away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   <grin>
>>>
>>> Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>>> Behalf Of [email protected]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>
>>>
>>> It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.
>>>
>>> I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.   That
>>> perfectly aimed exhaust "teaches" :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> <insert witty tagline here>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Brad Belton" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular
>>>> Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.
>>>>
>>>> In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec
>>>> Excursions in STOCK trim.
>>>>
>>>> 16sec must only "feel" fast in a Dodge Goat....<grin>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>>>> Behalf Of [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>
>>>> Grin...  My '93 wasn't "quite" stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a
>>>> dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.
>>>>
>>>> Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his
>>>> excursion
>>>> would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)
>>>>
>>>> I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
>>>> trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted
>>>> me 10.5 - 11 mpg .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> <insert witty tagline here>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]>
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not so
>>>>> much pep compared to the new ones).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Brad Belton" <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets
>>>>>> 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's
>>>>>> probably due for a tune up of some kind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does have a custom chip & exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY
>>>>>> Diesel
>>>>>> Dodge I've run across.  <grin>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9
>>>>>> (doesn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with
>>>>>> OEM
>>>>>> software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly
>>>>>> terrain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "George Rogato" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM
>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 11mpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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