Honestly when we got our gas generators it was the only thing we could find (and we drove an hour and a half each way to get them). I just came up with the gas supply thing when Zachery brought up the fact propane/natural gas gets shut off =)
They worked SO WELL the first week. We filled them with gas and put stabilizer it in to better prepare for the next hurricane in Ohio. Time will tell! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Shoemaker < shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com> wrote: > That's a good thing to keep in mind. Also if you're in an earthquake > prone area, gas lines can rupture at the same time underground > substation feeders are cut. > > You're not completely protected from the fire department if you've got > diesel generators, though. Take The Planet's multi-day outage last June > for example- the FD rolled in and shut off all the diesel generators at > the datacenter. > > Patrick Shoemaker > Vector Data Systems LLC > shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com > office: (301) 358-1690 x36 > http://www.vectordatasystems.com > > > Zachery Wolfinger wrote: > > One thing to consider with natural gas generators for NOCs is that in an > > emergency, it's not unheard of for the city/fire department to cut both > > electric and gas. We ran into CLECS that had this happen to them when I > was > > spec'ing out a new CO for a telco I used to work for. > > > > Thank you, > > Zak Wolfinger IT Director > > Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. > > 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 > > > > > >> From: Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net> > >> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:11:09 -0600 > >> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] propane generators? > >> > >> We have a customer that has a natural gas connection at his NOC to the > >> gas co. Course, it was great for them to put an natural gas generator. > >> WHen they don't need it, they don't store anything, but when they do, > >> let it run! Think they were on it for about 8 days straight without a > >> hickup. > >> > >> If you go propane, figure what is longest it will take for someone to > >> come out and fill it? Lugging something around typically is not going > >> to work. Not to mention expensive and time consuming to keep it going. > >> Plus, might have to shut it off to change tanks etc. Most gas cos wil > >> rent you a tank and place it for next to nothing, well at least in this > >> area. If you have a co come fill it, how long will it take to get them > >> out there. Weekend and emergency fills gets real expensive real quick, > >> so figure you need to run 4 days at least on one tank.. > >> > >> * ----------------------------------------------------------- > >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > >> WISPA Vendor Member* > >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> > >> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* > >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> > >> > >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the > >> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only > >> for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > >> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. > Any > >> review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action > >> in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > >> intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > >> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from > >> any computer. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Patrick Shoemaker wrote: > >>> Be careful if using this in cold climates at a remote site. Most > diesels > >>> will need a block heater in order to start under a certain temperature, > >>> and powering a block heater at a solar site will not be practical. Your > >>> odds of automatically starting a propane generator in cold temps are > >>> much better than a diesel. Plus you run into algae problems with diesel > >>> stored for long periods of time. > >>> > >>> Patrick Shoemaker > >>> Vector Data Systems LLC > >>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com > >>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36 > >>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com > >>> > >>> > >>> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > >>> > >>>> I thought about that. Not having one already (other than portable gas > >>>> units) I was really thinking about diesel rather than propane. It'll > >>>> probably cost more money, but how do you lug a reasonably sized > propane tank > >>>> up the hill when you can't drive to the site etc.? > >>>> > >>>> By using heating oil any gelling issues should be minimized. Fuel > deicer > >>>> (or whatever it's called) should help even more. > >>>> > >>>> Just my thoughts.... > >>>> Marlon > >>>> (509) 982-2181 > >>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services > >>>> 42846865 (icq) WISP Operator since > 1999! > >>>> o...@odessaoffice.com > >>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > >>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Randy Cosby" <dco...@infowest.com> > >>>> To: <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:19 PM > >>>> Subject: [WISPA] propane generators? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Anyone using small propane generators at their wireless towers? Any > >>>>> suggestions? I only need 2KW or so, but would like to be able to > start > >>>>> it remotely as needed. The site is primarily solar, this would be to > >>>>> back us up on snow days. > >>>>> > >>>>> thanks, > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Randy Cosby > >>>>> Vice President > >>>>> InfoWest, Inc > >>>>> > >>>>> work: 435-773-6071 > >>>>> email: rco...@infowest.com > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> > >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>>>> > >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>>>> > >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ---- > >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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