What is the cost of aerial fiber these days? I know it depends on number of strands and technology, so if someone were going to do this in a small city, what type would you want to use? Around here, the electric company gets around $8/yr/pole to use their poles. Under normal conditions, how many poles are there in a mile.
I pay $1325/mth for two T1's from ACC. I am in a rural cooperative area, and the loop cost account for 2/3's of that to go about 40 miles. The local rural telco priced me fiber at $2500/mth for 10/10 meg, and a $2500 install fee. They now have metro ethernet and I can get 6/6 meg for $1300/mth. I will probably go this route soon, if I can not find a better alternative. Cable co. is privately owned here and the owner despises us, so that is OOTQ. I can get a shot to fiber 16 miles north that is $1500/mth for 10/10 meg from a public cable company. I will need to rent tower space at one end and buy the backhaul equipment, plus being in very "stormy" area, have to worry about lightning 8 - 10 months out of the year. I can not see me "coming out" this way at a savings of $1000/mth for quite sometime. Most tower companies here are Crown Castle and other big names that ask cell phone company rates to get on their towers which are at least $750/mth. Their are other alternatives I have not explored, such as building my own tower at the other end, or renting from the cable company tower that may be much cheaper. The fiber route mentioned had me interested. It is about 20 miles by road to the same location that the 16 miles shot is. I know the cost will be way higher, but I could then use the fiber in the towns along the way to offer service. About 5 miles of this road way area does not have any broadband at all. I could also offer an alternative to the local rural telcos fiber, which has 0 competition at this point. And last but not least, I would worry much less about lightning. As fiber "looks" to be the way of the future if we want to stay in business, it is something to look at that is not out of the question. I just do not have any idea about the costs of laying the fiber. We have our own bucket trucks and work crew, so that cost is already incurred. Scottie ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Blake Bowers" <bbow...@mozarks.com> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:12:39 -0500 >A lot of this is educational for me, but I do have >a couple of thoughts. > >If you are having to hop microwave 10 hops to get to your >intended target, would it not be possible to put an AP on >each tower along the way, providing service to those >areas also, to help subsidize the costs? > >And what about aerial fiber? There is a LOT of it in use around >here. Yes, you would have pole attachment fees, but most of you >are pretty good at coming up with deals involving providing bandwidth >etc to the people who own the poles. > >Just some thoughts, probably not worth what you are paying for them. > > >Don't take your organs to heaven, >heaven knows we need them down here! >Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "George Rogato" <wi...@oregonfast.net> >To: <sc...@brevardwireless.com>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:21 AM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth > > >> It's true that it is a big expense and it's not an easy task. >> But, we just got a "franchise agreement" from our city for fiber. >> The way they calculate it is either on a per foot basis, or a percentage >> of revenues across the fiber. >> Naturally we did the percentage, but another company that brought >> submarine cable through our city is paying a yearly per foot. >> >> So with the percentage based system, the cost are easier to consume for >> city wide. >> >> As for the boring, thats what I'm wrestling with right now myself. >> Back in 2000 or 2001 we laid conduits up a couple streets to get some >> fiber going. We didn't even have a franchise agreement with the city, >> but it was sanctioned by them anyways. >> What we did was to buy the pvc ourselves and hired a prison crew to dig. >> I live on a sand dune, so digging is much easier here than places with >> harder soil types. >> One of the excavators I used work with when I was an electrician came by >> after seeing the crew digging and told me he could have done it for less. >> So we compared notes, what it cost me for prison labor and his price >> based on the footage. >> He was one of the cheapest guys around for excavating, so the price he >> told me wasn't going to get any better. It turned out we were a bit >> lower than his price, with the exception that he would have broken >> sidewalks and possibly damaged pipes along the way, where we were a >> clean damage free dig. >> >> So yeah, it cost a lot to dig, but the conduits will be there for ever >> and you can do anything with the fiber that you can find a market for. >> And it keeps you in the game. >> >> Sadly, if wisps or isps don't start thinking about laying fiber, I think >> the future will be cut short. Not saying to give up on wireless but >> rather thinking about how to compliment the wireless with fiber. >> >> It's Sunday and I have to go back to work... Today we are learning to >> terminate fiber. >> >> George >> >> >> Scott Carullo wrote: >>> Again -- it depends where you are and who you have to deal with. within >>> the first 20 miles or so of our city you have to pay the city $2 a foot >>> for >>> the permit and then some fee each month, directional bore each road with >>> its own permit and engineering etc. >>> >>> A L3 guy told me their costs to build out around here is about $35,000 >>> per >>> mile. While I'm sure lots of people would love to use fiber after it >>> went >>> from point a to be its not realistic for a smaller company to fund a >>> project of that size or even be allowed to do it (to run fiber here you >>> have to be a registered state utility company). >>> >>> Every single instance for every single ISP is going to be different and >>> suffice it to say we all should and probably already do our homework >>> before >>> making any kind of large commitment or investment - bandwidth included. >>> >>> Scott Carullo >>> Brevard Wireless >>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> From: "John Scrivner" <j...@scrivner.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:16 AM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth >>>> >>>> Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and >>>> fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who >>>> would buy an "exit ramp on your information super-highway" if you >>>> build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years so >>>> you should be able to stretch out the loan over many years. I am >>>> looking at this myself. I think that it makes sense on long runs like >>>> this to consider fiber. Pricing has come down considerably. Just my 2 >>>> cents worth. >>>> Scriv >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: >>>>> Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at >>>>> least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here.... so >>>>> that's $2,500 per month just for the towers... then you have >>>>> maintenance, equipment cost ($100k) and it would only save me about >>>>> $1,000 per month. >>>>> >>>>> Travis >>>>> Microserv >>>>> >>>>> Harold Bledsoe wrote: >>>>>> Those of you that are paying >$50/Mbps, what is keeping you from >>>>>> building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark >>> fiber, >>>>>> etc.)? It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in >>> the >>>>>> business plan as this is a big MRC. Don't wait for someone to bring >>> you >>>>>> cheap bandwidth...go get it! :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> -Hal >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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