Best solution

Publish all radar locations and freqs and we avoid like the plauge

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102

On Apr 21, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Tom DeReggi <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>  
wrote:

> Maybe thats why the weather man always get the forcast wrong, those  
> darn
> WISPs :-)
>
> OK, lets get real... I agree, we should not do anything that we know  
> will
> purposely harm radar systems.
> But the FEDs negotiated teh DFS technical spec for 5-7 years, before  
> they
> finally gave it to us.
> If they didn't get it right, thats not really my doing. nor the WISP
> industry's. When my network gets interfered with, it is my  
> responsibilty to
> go find a solution, and go find the culprit. Why should it be any  
> different
> for the radar person? I'm tired of teh double standard that WISPs  
> are less
> important than the rest of the world, and therefore should be  
> expected to
> take steps far greater than others. Many WISPs provide mission  
> critical
> solutions, just as critical as radar in my opinion. For example  
> WISPs may
> provide broadband to TV stations that distribute the information to  
> the
> public, or the remote scientific communities that interperates the  
> results.
> Or to Hospitals and homes of teh elderly, or possible the schools  
> where our
> children learn. Etc Etc.  Why are WISPs so less deserving to use  
> spectrum?
> Quite honestly I don't believe any spectrum should be allowed to be
> licensed.
>
> A WISPs responsibilty is to comply to the rules, not to monitor  
> whether
> radar systems get interference. Thats the responsibilty of the Radar  
> techs.
> If the FAA comes knocking at my door saying I'm interfering with  
> them, I'd
> be the first person to Immediately stop interfering with them, and  
> offer
> full cooperation. (whether legally required or not). They were there  
> first,
> and the goal is not to interfere with them. But the burden is on  
> them to
> show me the interference exists. And if it takes them 10 people to  
> track
> down the interference, all I can say is, I wish I had their budget  
> to waste
> on tech labor, because they could have accomplished the task with 1  
> or 2
> people (quickly), like WISPs usually do.
>
> But what you are right about is FCC compliance. In a situation like  
> that,
> its going to get ugly if uncertified gear was used.
> The FCC was really big on 5.4G legallity of DFS2.
>
> I think the FCC would be less harsh on 5.3G, as many 5.3 systems had  
> been
> grandfathered, and it would have to be proven whether the WISPs had a
> grandfathered link, on whether the WISP was acting responsibly. And  
> 5.3
> radar users are likely already toleraent of the fact that 5.3 WISP  
> users are
> out there, with DFS not being an original requirement of 5.3.  But  
> with
> 5.4Ghz, its a totally different animal, there was no legal 5.4  
> system not
> supporting DFS.
> I would find it highly unwise to use a non-certified 5.4Ghz system.
>
> I wonder if ANY of the MESH hardware is certified for DFS2  
> successfully.
> Such as Tropo? Or if they are all still 5.8 and 2.4 systems?
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> To: <sc...@brevardwireless.com>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org 
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question
>
>
>> WE saw this recently here,
>>
>> The FCC and FAA sent a crew of about 10 perrsons to hunt down some  
>> rogue
>> emissions that were afecting the local FAA Weather Radar.  They were
>> here for about 2 weeks.
>>
>> The local radar operated in 5610, had a rx opening from 5580 to 5640.
>> The gain of the Weather antenna was 70db and the rx thershold -110,  
>> so
>> imagine how a stray radio would interfere!
>>
>> They had a field day with local wispa using non FCC DFS Aproved  
>> gear in
>> the band!
>>
>> They even got some stats on Canopy gear not trigerring correctly to  
>> the
>> radar signature!
>>
>> They were going to Motorola with the info gathered here
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Carullo
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:52 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question
>>
>> You don't think your active transmitter can affect their weather  
>> radar?
>>
>> NOT
>>
>> Just because they have their gain tuned such that they can't hear a
>> reflection off a baseball in your area doesn't mean your signal won't
>> come booming in for them :)
>>
>> Mostly weather radar...   And - remember - its just not the news
>> stations
>> in your area with radars // military installations, government
>> establishments, airports, NOAA etc...  the list goes on.
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Brevard Wireless
>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <k...@wavelinc.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:46 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question
>>>
>>> Is it military radar or weather radar that operates in these  
>>> bands? If
>>
>>> it
>> is
>>> weather then we are lucky around here, our county is smack dab in  
>>> the
>> middle
>>> of the "out of range zone" for 3 different weather radars by about  
>>> 60+
>> miles
>>> each. The National Weather Service is really interested in storm
>>> spotters
>> in
>>> this area because of the lack of radar coverage.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:13 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question
>>>
>>> The only good answer to combat DFS is to use directional PTP  
>>> antennas
>> with
>>> good F/B ratios.
>>>
>>> I'd give 5.4G back to the FCC in a heartbeat, if they gave us 5.3Ghz
>>> back
>>
>>> without DFS and low power requirements.
>>>
>>> If you ask me.... Either 5.3 radars or 5.4 radars should be forced  
>>> to
>>> upgrade to the other band, and free up the other  :-)
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Adam Goodman" <a...@wispring.com>
>>> To: <sc...@brevardwireless.com>; "WISPA General List"
>> <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question
>>>
>>>
>>> I had some trouble with radar (think it was radar) last year.
>>> Interferences could be from many sources. It sa problem because you
>>> can't just go sit there for a couple of weeks with a spectrum  
>>> analyzer
>>
>>> listening for noise. It would be nice if there was a reasonably  
>>> priced
>>
>>> logger. Or with Internet connectivity. All this is probably a pipe
>>> dream as I have never seen anything with such functionality.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Scott Carullo
>>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know of a radio that can just listen passively and scan
>>>> through channels and report back on radar signals heard on what
>> frequencies?
>> That
>>>> would be a great tool to have to scope out certain areas of  
>>>> interest
>> to
>>>> know ahead of time what radar DFS issues might be present...
>>>>
>>>> Scott Carullo
>>>> Brevard Wireless
>>>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> From: "Blair Davis" <the...@wmwisp.net>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:30 PM
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gell Cell?
>>>>>
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