As soon as you can offer 7ms latency to 100 people off the same AP
using WiFi based radios, please let me know. I will buy 200 AP's and
5,000 CPE. ;) Oh, and they need to operate on the same channels within a 5 mile radius. ;) Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: Standard 20MHz channels. I, too, thought it was impossible. We started with Orinoco back in the day (2002), it worked well up until 30 subs -- then it was like dailup. Back then, we offered 256Kbps service. Turns out the big differences is not only much better radios, much better software, but also the difference on B and G.For a very long time we got caught in the Canopy mentality "my Canopy is better than your <<any other vendor here>>" We finally opened our eyes, got jumped out of the gang, and are very happy we did. It seems a lot of Canopy operators have the mentality that WiFi sucks -- probably because they too started with it years ago, when it really did suck. Canopy is good, but slow, and very expensive. We have a 1 Day ROI. Compared to when we were deploying Canopy, 8-10 MONTHS. This network is small, and we don't push it much. Like I said, we have a 1 Day ROI. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Mike <m...@aweiowa.com> wrote:You don't say if you are using 5Mhz or 10MHz channels. I assume 10 with 40 customers. With the smaller bandwidth and slower speeds I think fractional channels limit the number of subscribers you can put on an AP. Does anybody have any empirical data on the number of users that can use a 5MHz and 10MHz Ap? I am not doing it, but think 40 is too many for a 5MHz channel, and has to be approaching the limit for a 10MHz channel. Thoughts? At 06:13 PM 10/1/2009, you wrote:I dunno? Not a ton. Maybe 40 at the most. This segment of our networkisvery small. We mainly focus on big businesses. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Ryan Spott <rsp...@cspott.com> wrote:"-- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list....." LOL! :) How many users per AP? ryan On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com> wrote:I'll tell you what we do, but won't get into defending it for thenextmonth-- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list....... Our 2.4GHz spectrum is completely filled with vertical Canopy. We run UBNT AP's. Fixed at 2mi ACK. No RTS. Fixed G-only.Horizontalpolarity. Max data rate of 54Mbps. Sectors. Customers are all within 2 miles, use Loco2's. Customers are AutoACK.NoRTS. Fixed G-Only. Horizontal. Max 54Mbps. On almost every single install we get at least 12Mbps down, 6Mbps up(ourrate limit). Without limit, we usually see up to 18. Funny... those lusers on the other guys Canopy pay like $40/mo for1.5Mbps.We give 12Mbps for $24.95/mo. Don't use B. It's DSSS. G is OFDM. Performs much better. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Jason Hensley <ja...@jaggartech.com>wrote:In 2.4 land, if you have a lot of noise, which protocol is better -B orG?Is it better to run an AP as locked into one mode or is it OK to doamix?Max I want off of 2.4 customers is 3meg so not that worried abouttheextraspeed that G will provide, but, I would like to know which is morestable?I've always thought that B was more stable overall but just providedlessbandwidth. I've gotten some info that may counter that. What's the real-world experience with folks in a high-noise environment,combinedwitha higher useage AP? I've got an AP that we've run in B mode only for a while. We'vestartedhaving problems with it - speeds go from 3meg at the customer to200kandfluctuate constantly. We've worked with RTS, ACK timeouts, etc etcandnothing seems to have improved the stability. For testing purposesweputup another AP right next to the one we're having trouble with.Switchedtwo of our gaming clients to that one (setup as G mode only) and theyseemtobe doing better, but not quite as good as we feel they could be. ThisisonDeliberant AP's (Duos). The backhaul part of it is not the issue -wecanpull close to 15meg back to our office when cabled into the AP. Wehaveother Deliberant APs that are running MANY more clients than thisone soweknow it's not limitations of the equipment. AP is on top of a watertower.Have taken all clients off and brought them back on one by one anditdidnot reveal anything significant. With just one customer on the APstartedacting up again. Swapped radios in the AP thinking we could haveonegoingbad and still no luck. 2.4 antennas are H-pol. We have a ton of noise in the area, butwe'vebeenthrough basically every channel and it did not help either. OtherAP'sinthe vicinity are performing fine. Thought of the multipath issue soweraised our test AP up a little higher than the other one. As Isaid,thetest AP seems to be better, but next to it on top of the tower wecangetaround 8 or 9 meg down (locked into G mode), but at the CPE's we'restillbarely getting 2.5-2.8meg. Any thoughts? We changed everything we can. The new "test" AP hasa9dbantenna compared to the 13db on the "production" AP. Other thanthat,theyare identical as far as equipment goes. So, back to the subject question though, what's real-worldexperiencewithG-only mode in the field?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------WISPA Wants You! 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