Marlon, We used to use the Shireen cable, but almost every single box we got (even we ordering 10+ at a time) had busted up plastic reels inside. A busted reel means you have a $150 boat anchor. Installers hate dealing with it, and you usually end up with ugly twisted cable all over someones house.
Where do you buy your from? Direct? Have you ever had issues with broken plastic reels inside? I assume you UPS Ground ship them? Jayson On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Marlon K. Schafer <[email protected]>wrote: > Now that's funny. I've run into this stuff when others have used it. I > HATE the stuff. In poor light (or LED head lamp etc.) I can't tell the > light colors apart. > > For cable I've been using Shireen. > http://www.shireeninc.com/osc/product_info.php?products_id=97 > > He's out of my favorite right now. I guess people didn't like it but I > sure > do. Nusrat said he'd try to get some more of it in stock. It's a gel > filled cat5 with an EXTRA shield around it. So there are TWO layers of > outer jacket. And the "gel" is dry!!!! It doesn't make a mess of your > hands and/or tools. Once the gel gets wet it swells up and seals the area, > forcing the water out. > > We have had NO problems of any kind when using this cable. > > I've got some of the foil shielded cable as well. We're now using it on > nearly all of our tower sites. So far so good. > > I used the indoor white cat 5 for a long time. People would much rather > have white cable run around the house than any other color. It's also in a > nice box, easy to work with etc. But something changed a couple of years > ago. Even out here, where it so seldom rains, we started getting water in > the cables. It would find a hole somewhere, run down into the poe and the > corrosion destroys the poe boxes. No more indoor cables out here. It's a > little bit cheaper, but not enough so that it's worth the added cost of > re-cabling houses. > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "3-dB Networks" <[email protected]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > > > >I strongly recommend this cable because I think it helps a lot telling if > > you got the right color wire in the right hole. Sometimes finding that > > stripe on the white can be difficult: http://tinyurl.com/ygxeywo > > > > > > Daniel White > > 3-dB Networks > > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > >>Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > >>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM > >>To: WISPA General List > >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > >> > >>But you're missing the point. > >>Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard > >>CAT5s > >>effectively. > >>But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other > >>costs. > >>The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs, > >>comparing > >>both types. > >>The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs. > >> > >>What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and > >>the > >>link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the > >>cable > >>had the bad crimp? > >>A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and replace > >>it. > >>I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into > >>the > >>city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by defective > >>CAT5 plug terminations. > >>But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the > >>defective > >>packloss link trying to find what was wrong. > >> > >>I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( . > >>The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is > >>going > >>down. > >> > >>The question to ask is.... are the installers having to high a failure > >>rate > >>for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good investment. > >>As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the > >>extra > >>$100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful > >>crimpts > >>the first time. > >>I compare... Risking paying 25 cent extra verus risk spending extra $100 > >>in > >>time figuring out where I made the Crimp mistake. > >> > >>For the record, I do not use EZ-Rj45 plugs. But I understand the value > >>of > >>Using the best RJ-45Plugs, and the ROI is there. I personally like to > >>use > >>the the RJ45 Plugs sold by Shireen. > >>Ever since we started using them, terminations have been so much easier > >>and > >>successful. > >> > >>I like the Shireen plugs because they have just the right wire hole > >>diameters for the wire to slide in easy, and I can be certain that > >>they'll > >>slide into the right slots as I tried to align them to. > >>(Its becoming harder for me to tell the wire color once its inside the > >>Jack, > >>due to eyes). And I can be certain they'll crimp securely. > >> > >>I also got tired of the two peice CAT5 jacks, because I always kept > >>loosing > >>the second peices, and ended up having to throw away 20% of them that > >>would > >>be incomplete set. > >> > >> > >>Tom DeReggi > >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > >>To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:15 PM > >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > >> > >> > >>> At 200/mo you'd need at least one more customer per month. Don't see > >>> this happening by speeding up rj45 connectors. > >>> > >>> On 10/18/09, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my > >>installers... > >>>> but > >>>> $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra > >>$200 > >>>> per month just in connectors. :( > >>>> > >>>> Travis > >>>> Microserv > >>>> > >>>> Mike wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 > >>>>> Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as > >>well. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> marlon > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "Mike" <[email protected]> > >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM > >>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real > >>>>>>> talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which > >>>>>>> just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial > >>to > >>>>>>> list participants in general if there was a thread which contained > >>a > >>>>>>> description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, > >>>>>>> software etc ... you would like to share with the group. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'll start: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> what: EZRJ-45 connector system > >>>>>>> where: www.ezrj45.com > >>>>>>> why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light > >>situations, I > >>>>>>> find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a > >>>>>>> CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a > >>quite > >>>>>>> ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You > >>can > >>>>>>> verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the > >>>>>>> tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades > >>that > >>>>>>> cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a > >>time > >>>>>>> saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. 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