The cable I linked to is outdoor rated/UV rated... not gel filled... I always thought that was a little extreme for non-burial applications.
We had a lot of luck with that almond/beige color of that cable. Blends with most of the paint and roofs around here really well. We used to use white cable... man does that stick out on a roof! Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-----Original Message----- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:21 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > >Now that's funny. I've run into this stuff when others have used it. I >HATE the stuff. In poor light (or LED head lamp etc.) I can't tell the >light colors apart. > >For cable I've been using Shireen. >http://www.shireeninc.com/osc/product_info.php?products_id=97 > >He's out of my favorite right now. I guess people didn't like it but I >sure >do. Nusrat said he'd try to get some more of it in stock. It's a gel >filled cat5 with an EXTRA shield around it. So there are TWO layers of >outer jacket. And the "gel" is dry!!!! It doesn't make a mess of your >hands and/or tools. Once the gel gets wet it swells up and seals the >area, >forcing the water out. > >We have had NO problems of any kind when using this cable. > >I've got some of the foil shielded cable as well. We're now using it on >nearly all of our tower sites. So far so good. > >I used the indoor white cat 5 for a long time. People would much rather >have white cable run around the house than any other color. It's also >in a >nice box, easy to work with etc. But something changed a couple of >years >ago. Even out here, where it so seldom rains, we started getting water >in >the cables. It would find a hole somewhere, run down into the poe and >the >corrosion destroys the poe boxes. No more indoor cables out here. It's >a >little bit cheaper, but not enough so that it's worth the added cost of >re-cabling houses. >marlon > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net> >To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:03 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > > >>I strongly recommend this cable because I think it helps a lot telling >if >> you got the right color wire in the right hole. Sometimes finding >that >> stripe on the white can be difficult: http://tinyurl.com/ygxeywo >> >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >On >>>Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM >>>To: WISPA General List >>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have >>> >>>But you're missing the point. >>>Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard >>>CAT5s >>>effectively. >>>But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other >>>costs. >>>The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs, >>>comparing >>>both types. >>>The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs. >>> >>>What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and >>>the >>>link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the >>>cable >>>had the bad crimp? >>>A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and >replace >>>it. >>>I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into >>>the >>>city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by >defective >>>CAT5 plug terminations. >>>But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the >>>defective >>>packloss link trying to find what was wrong. >>> >>>I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( . >>>The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is >>>going >>>down. >>> >>>The question to ask is.... are the installers having to high a failure >>>rate >>>for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good >investment. >>>As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the >>>extra >>>$100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful >>>crimpts >>>the first time. >>>I compare... Risking paying 25 cent extra verus risk spending extra >$100 >>>in >>>time figuring out where I made the Crimp mistake. >>> >>>For the record, I do not use EZ-Rj45 plugs. But I understand the value >>>of >>>Using the best RJ-45Plugs, and the ROI is there. I personally like to >>>use >>>the the RJ45 Plugs sold by Shireen. >>>Ever since we started using them, terminations have been so much >easier >>>and >>>successful. >>> >>>I like the Shireen plugs because they have just the right wire hole >>>diameters for the wire to slide in easy, and I can be certain that >>>they'll >>>slide into the right slots as I tried to align them to. >>>(Its becoming harder for me to tell the wire color once its inside the >>>Jack, >>>due to eyes). And I can be certain they'll crimp securely. >>> >>>I also got tired of the two peice CAT5 jacks, because I always kept >>>loosing >>>the second peices, and ended up having to throw away 20% of them that >>>would >>>be incomplete set. >>> >>> >>>Tom DeReggi >>>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:15 PM >>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have >>> >>> >>>> At 200/mo you'd need at least one more customer per month. Don't >see >>>> this happening by speeding up rj45 connectors. >>>> >>>> On 10/18/09, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: >>>>> These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my >>>installers... >>>>> but >>>>> $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an >extra >>>$200 >>>>> per month just in connectors. :( >>>>> >>>>> Travis >>>>> Microserv >>>>> >>>>> Mike wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 >>>>>> Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as >>>well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Mike" <m...@aweiowa.com> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real >>>>>>>> talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things >which >>>>>>>> just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial >>>to >>>>>>>> list participants in general if there was a thread which >contained >>>a >>>>>>>> description and use of something you find invaluable -- >hardware, >>>>>>>> software etc ... you would like to share with the group. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll start: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what: EZRJ-45 connector system >>>>>>>> where: www.ezrj45.com >>>>>>>> why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light >>>situations, I >>>>>>>> find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on >a >>>>>>>> CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a >>>quite >>>>>>>> ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. >You >>>can >>>>>>>> verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the >>>>>>>> tags. 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