I will find out how well they work. I have one that is in the ground. Homeowner whacked a cable with the weed eater at the ground. It is a 60' buied line, so I dug out a little hole around the wire, patched it, filled the lid with sealant, stuck it together and buried it. Been in the ground 5 weeks with out issue.
Mike wrote: > Now I will definitely file that one where I can find it. I have used > <cringe> Scotch locks in an attic before. > > Mike > > > At 11:52 AM 11/5/2009, Scott wrote: > >> This cable stretcher is only $2.75. >> https://www.visionaryweb.com/secure/techdoctor/product_info.php?products_id=323&osCsid=935273b7a716937f1b96e6deecf47697 >> >> >> <https://www.visionaryweb.com/secure/techdoctor/product_info.php?products_id=323&osCsid=935273b7a716937f1b96e6deecf47697> >> >> Mike wrote: >> >>> Don't ask how I learned, but I put a service loop (usually 2 places) >>> on every install. I tried to buy a cable stretcher, but they were >>> way too expensive. >>> >>> >>> At 10:51 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Then you hope you have enough of a service loop to move it if it >>>> >> already has >> >>>> been installed =) >>>> >>>> I normally do a good 2-3 foot service loop. I've noticed the Dish >>>> installers do around 6 inches. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." >>>> --- Albert Einstein >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> No, the black magic is that sometimes really strange things seem to >>>>> affect links in inexplicable ways. Yes, there is probably some >>>>> absolute science underlying the results, but they just seem like >>>>> black magic. I have found sometimes just moving CPE a couple feet or >>>>> so up/down/left/right can make all the difference in the world. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> At 10:37 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I guess the the black magic part was that you couldnt ping yet remain on >>>>>> remote desktop? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been putting up a few horizontal sectors with 10 MHz channels >>>>>>> too. That 3 dB increase in signal to noise has made a world of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> difference. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> I even put one up high, running a 5 MHz channel, and call it my >>>>>>> "trouble sector." I have a handful of customers I used knife edge >>>>>>> diffraction as a propagation medium from day one. It works 95% of >>>>>>> the time at 20 MHz channels, with fades to -83 -84 dBm. This time of >>>>>>> year is the 5% they begin to fade. My theory is that as the crops >>>>>>> dry (corn, beans) they are no longer lined up in neat little rows but >>>>>>> become more randomized and change the dynamics of the signal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I moved 3 of them to my "trouble sector" and they are working >>>>>>> great; I know from experience this is the bottom of the barrel, and >>>>>>> they will get steadily better as leaves drop and crops are >>>>>>> combined. I'm also convinced horizontal polarization works better >>>>>>> with knife edge diffraction than vertical. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My trouble sector is even on a fully deployed tower with 3) 120 >>>>>>> degree sectors at 2.4, all vertical. Trouble sector is 20 feet below >>>>>>> the main ones, horizontal, using a subset of the same channel of the >>>>>>> one directly behind it. That 5 MHz sector gives me a 6 dB increase in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> s/n. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Steve, how did you change all the customers over to 10 MHz? I guess >>>>>>> I could do that in the middle of the night and open a bunch of >>>>>>> windows and change them, then begin saving one after the other. Let >>>>>>> us know your trick. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just adds to my belief that this wireless stuff is 80% engineering, >>>>>>> 15% black magic, and since I don't believe in luck, 5% good fortune or >>>>>>> Karma. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 07:03 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark I have seen this exact same thing. But I bet if you take the >>>>>>>> radio down the road 1/2 mile it will go away and never cause a >>>>>>>> problem. When I had the same issue I ended up putting a Mikrotik >>>>>>>> client in place with the same XR2 board and firmware as the >>>>>>>> tower. That way I had the ability to do Mtik to Mtik testing and it >>>>>>>> came down to a multipath or RF issue. I went from hearing from the >>>>>>>> customer every 4 days to ever month. Then 2 months ago I switched >>>>>>>> that sector to 10Mhz G and have not heard a word from that customer >>>>>>>> since. I like no phone calls. 10mhz channels have been saving my >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> life. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve Barnes >>>>>>>> Manager >>>>>>>> PCS-WIN >>>>>>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through >>>>>>>> experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, >>>>>>>> vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. >>>>>>>> - Helen Keller >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Mark McElvy >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:23 PM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CPQ in router mode and doing the PPPoE, no router behind CPQ. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark McElvy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Eric Rogers >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:02 PM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Further, are you using a router (Linksys/D-Link/Netgear/Other) with >>>>>>>> PPPoE, or the computer with PPPoE, or even DHCP? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:33 PM >>>>>>>> To: Mikrotik discussions >>>>>>>> Cc: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and functional. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you sure it's functional? I expect it probably isn't usable while >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> pings stop just like browsing isn't capable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What are you pinging from/to? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you have the Tranzeo fix applied to your CPEs as you're using a >>>>>>>> Mikrotik >>>>>>>> AP? Is the Tranzeo rebooting per their interpretation of the RFC? Is >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> wireless registration staying up according to the AP? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>>>>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mark McElvy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Recently I posted an issue with a new customer that had a great >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> signal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> but poor throughput. A lot of people sais multipath. Well now I >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> have >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> more data and another customer seeing the same thing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. If you get connected to an RDP session it stays connected. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. If you do a constant ping, you get responses for a while, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> won't get responses for a while. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. While the pings respond, you can web browse fast. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. While the pings don't respond, you get page cannot be >>>>>>>>> displayed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5. The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and >>>>>>>>> functional. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 6. Customer says the online game they play will take several >>>>>>>>> attempts to connect but once connected it works great. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Someone else suggested power but tried different power supplies >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> with >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> same result. 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