The "cable strecher" I used was the noose I made from the cable wrapped around the neck of the installer who didnt leave a loop :)
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Scott Reed <[email protected]>wrote: > This cable stretcher is only $2.75. > > https://www.visionaryweb.com/secure/techdoctor/product_info.php?products_id=323&osCsid=935273b7a716937f1b96e6deecf47697 > < > https://www.visionaryweb.com/secure/techdoctor/product_info.php?products_id=323&osCsid=935273b7a716937f1b96e6deecf47697 > > > > Mike wrote: > > Don't ask how I learned, but I put a service loop (usually 2 places) > > on every install. I tried to buy a cable stretcher, but they were > > way too expensive. > > > > > > At 10:51 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: > > > >> Then you hope you have enough of a service loop to move it if it already > has > >> been installed =) > >> > >> I normally do a good 2-3 foot service loop. I've noticed the Dish > >> installers do around 6 inches. > >> > >> Josh Luthman > >> Office: 937-552-2340 > >> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >> 1100 Wayne St > >> Suite 1337 > >> Troy, OH 45373 > >> > >> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." > >> --- Albert Einstein > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> No, the black magic is that sometimes really strange things seem to > >>> affect links in inexplicable ways. Yes, there is probably some > >>> absolute science underlying the results, but they just seem like > >>> black magic. I have found sometimes just moving CPE a couple feet or > >>> so up/down/left/right can make all the difference in the world. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> At 10:37 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: > >>> > >>>> I guess the the black magic part was that you couldnt ping yet remain > on > >>>> remote desktop? > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I have been putting up a few horizontal sectors with 10 MHz channels > >>>>> too. That 3 dB increase in signal to noise has made a world of > >>>>> > >>> difference. > >>> > >>>>> I even put one up high, running a 5 MHz channel, and call it my > >>>>> "trouble sector." I have a handful of customers I used knife edge > >>>>> diffraction as a propagation medium from day one. It works 95% of > >>>>> the time at 20 MHz channels, with fades to -83 -84 dBm. This time of > >>>>> year is the 5% they begin to fade. My theory is that as the crops > >>>>> dry (corn, beans) they are no longer lined up in neat little rows but > >>>>> become more randomized and change the dynamics of the signal. > >>>>> > >>>>> I moved 3 of them to my "trouble sector" and they are working > >>>>> great; I know from experience this is the bottom of the barrel, and > >>>>> they will get steadily better as leaves drop and crops are > >>>>> combined. I'm also convinced horizontal polarization works better > >>>>> with knife edge diffraction than vertical. > >>>>> > >>>>> My trouble sector is even on a fully deployed tower with 3) 120 > >>>>> degree sectors at 2.4, all vertical. Trouble sector is 20 feet below > >>>>> the main ones, horizontal, using a subset of the same channel of the > >>>>> one directly behind it. That 5 MHz sector gives me a 6 dB increase > in > >>>>> > >>> s/n. > >>> > >>>>> Steve, how did you change all the customers over to 10 MHz? I guess > >>>>> I could do that in the middle of the night and open a bunch of > >>>>> windows and change them, then begin saving one after the other. Let > >>>>> us know your trick. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just adds to my belief that this wireless stuff is 80% engineering, > >>>>> 15% black magic, and since I don't believe in luck, 5% good fortune > or > >>>>> Karma. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> At 07:03 AM 11/5/2009, you wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Mark I have seen this exact same thing. But I bet if you take the > >>>>>> radio down the road 1/2 mile it will go away and never cause a > >>>>>> problem. When I had the same issue I ended up putting a Mikrotik > >>>>>> client in place with the same XR2 board and firmware as the > >>>>>> tower. That way I had the ability to do Mtik to Mtik testing and it > >>>>>> came down to a multipath or RF issue. I went from hearing from the > >>>>>> customer every 4 days to ever month. Then 2 months ago I switched > >>>>>> that sector to 10Mhz G and have not heard a word from that customer > >>>>>> since. I like no phone calls. 10mhz channels have been saving my > >>>>>> > >>> life. > >>> > >>>>>> Steve Barnes > >>>>>> Manager > >>>>>> PCS-WIN > >>>>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through > >>>>>> experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, > >>>>>> vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. > >>>>>> - Helen Keller > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > ] > >>>>>> On Behalf Of Mark McElvy > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:23 PM > >>>>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> CPQ in router mode and doing the PPPoE, no router behind CPQ. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mark McElvy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > ] > >>>>>> > >>> On > >>> > >>>>>> Behalf Of Eric Rogers > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:02 PM > >>>>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Further, are you using a router (Linksys/D-Link/Netgear/Other) with > >>>>>> PPPoE, or the computer with PPPoE, or even DHCP? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Eric > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > ] > >>>>>> > >>> On > >>> > >>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:33 PM > >>>>>> To: Mikrotik discussions > >>>>>> Cc: WISPA General List > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] Frustrating connectivity issues. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and functional. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Are you sure it's functional? I expect it probably isn't usable > while > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> pings stop just like browsing isn't capable. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What are you pinging from/to? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Do you have the Tranzeo fix applied to your CPEs as you're using a > >>>>>> Mikrotik > >>>>>> AP? Is the Tranzeo rebooting per their interpretation of the RFC? > Is > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> wireless registration staying up according to the AP? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Josh Luthman > >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St > >>>>>> Suite 1337 > >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, > however > >>>>>> improbable, must be the truth." > >>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mark McElvy <[email protected]> > >>>>>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>>>> Recently I posted an issue with a new customer that had a great > >>>>>>> > >>> signal > >>> > >>>>>>> but poor throughput. A lot of people sais multipath. Well now I > >>>>>>> > >>> have > >>> > >>>>>>> more data and another customer seeing the same thing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. If you get connected to an RDP session it stays connected. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. If you do a constant ping, you get responses for a while, > >>>>>>> > >>> you > >>> > >>>>>>> won't get responses for a while. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. While the pings respond, you can web browse fast. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. While the pings don't respond, you get page cannot be > >>>>>>> displayed. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 5. The whole time the RDP session will stay connected and > >>>>>>> functional. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 6. Customer says the online game they play will take several > >>>>>>> attempts to connect but once connected it works great. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Someone else suggested power but tried different power supplies > >>>>>>> > >>> with > >>> > >>>>>>> same result. 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