George, I have not played with the N stuff. Mostly because I need to upgrade my towers. That is in the plans. Which is where this discussion s originating from. Anytime I spend money, I have to confirm it is worthwhile and will represent an ROI. Yes, bandwidth is coming down ever so slowly (here anyways). So, what your saying is that the new equipment + lower bandwidth costs will handle all of our future needs?
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, George Morris <ghmor...@candlelight.ca>wrote: > Rick, there is a heck of a range of technology out there as you know. > Anything from the old Alvarion hoppers to the new stuff using N from > Ubiquiti and Mikrotik + dog. > > It isn't the same game anymore, provided you can get your Internet pipe(s) > at a reasonable price. > > Guaranteed bandwidth from a WISP is certainly do-able now, and the numbers > I've seen in this thread are on the low side. Have you played with the new > stuff that can actually deliver 100Mbits per AP? Its stunning. There are > still some rough edges in both the firmware and certification, but this is > the future. QoS is still an issue of course, the customer will eat whatever > we can give them and then some... > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:25 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing > > No, but they expect to get their speed every time they get on and they are > great at running speed tests. I understand we are int he business of shared > bandwidth but the equipment can only handle so much. It goes back to proper > ratios. When you do the numbers properly, it doesnt make financial sense. > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com> > wrote: > > > Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long. > > > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you " guaranteed > > > minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and > > > 6Mbps" at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong > > but > > > the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy subscribers > when > > > their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can come > > in. > > > I > > > find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if it > > can > > > be delivered. > > > > > > BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost money > > > since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an > > > non-subsidized "all you can eat service" company in a competitive > market > > > that actually makes money (bottom line). > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple years, > > and > > > > even tested it for a bit. > > > > > > > > Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess. I, myself, > > > being > > > > a > > > > fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an > > unlimited > > > > plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use plan. I > > have > > > > unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc. If I could pay for > > > > unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too! > > > > > > > > We've got the infrastructure in place for a pay-per-use, and could > > > activate > > > > it at anytime. We tried selling it about a year ago, and people just > > > > didn't > > > > understand the concept. People aren't used to it--most people got > > online > > > > when Internet was $19.95/mo for dialup (or, $22.95 for AOL!), and > don't > > > > remember the 10 for $10 dial-up packages. Nobody knows what ISDN > with > > > 300 > > > > hours is. > > > > > > > > We currently offer 12Mbps service for $24.95/mo. This makes us the > > > fastest > > > > in the area, and the cheapest. We have local sales, support and > > > > installations. We decided the way to win is to shape traffic--we > offer > > > > three 12Mbps packages; one with a guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, > 4Mbps > > > and > > > > 6Mbps. If you do nothing than browse, share pictures, etc. (i.e. > > "normal > > > > use") you'll always see the 12Mbps. But once you fire up a torrent > or > > > > Netflix, you only get that speed for 10 minutes--after that, you get > > your > > > > guaranteed minimum. Prices double from 1.5 to 4, and double again > > going > > > to > > > > 6Mbps. We have never had a complaint about speed or price with this > > > > structure. > > > > > > > > I'm hoping that the "big guys" do go to pay-per-use plans. Just one > > more > > > > way we can advertise and win against them. "Tired of counting your > > bits > > > > and > > > > bytes? We're unlimited" Look at Cricket wireless--they've just > > exploded > > > > with customers on their unlimited-everything service. > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents > > > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The cellular guys don't charge by the minute... I have an > unlimited > > > plan > > > > > on my cell phone. I can also get unlimited text and internet access > > for > > > > > $9.95/mo extra. > > > > > > > > > > People don't want to guess what their internet bills are going to > be > > > from > > > > > month to month. Would you want that at your own home? > > > > > > > > > > Travis > > > > > Microserv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary Garrett wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You sound like the cell phone company. > > > > > I am convinced the big failure in my business model is I charge by > > the > > > > > month while the cellular guys charge by the minute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > You are talking about having to add additional resources (radius, > > etc.) > > > > > to track it. Then you have to bill it. Then you get to deal with > the > > > > > phone calls from users that say "My computer wasn't even turned on > > > > > during those times. Remove the charge or I will go elsewhere." So, > > > even > > > > > that one extra phone call costs you money (because you have to > think > > > > > about scaling). Imagine if you have 100x the number of customers > you > > > > > have now... does the same solution work? 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