When browsing DSLREPORTS forums, one can see that it has become a game for some: "Who can download the most in a month." With some high speed cable operator forums, you can see Terabytes++ beating terabytes+ as useless garbage is downloaded for the game. It's like leaving your water hose on to see who can fill a lake first. Perhaps that may point to a solution.
Geeze.. . . . J o n a t h a n -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Here's some quick numbers off my network: for the last 8 days 71% of customers downloaded less than 1 GByte of Data. The top 10% all exceeded 2 GB The top 5% all exceeded 4.4 GB The top 1% exceeded 10 GB Marco On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:08 PM, George Morris <[email protected]> wrote: > Amen. It would be a very handy thing to maintain that list of > speedtest servers centrally somewhere, perhaps within WISPA. > > We don't belong to WISPA because its FCC centric which really doesn't > help us much. Much of the dues go to getting the FCC to move in a > given direction which isn't of much direct help for Canadian WISPs. > > If we had some services of this kind that were maintained by the WISPA > team/members that would change my mind in a heartbeat. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:01 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing > > I have (hopefully) all the speedtest ips in the allow list. They run > speedtest real fast, but download video for an hour and it will > throttle you. Find those speedtest IPs and let em run. Perception is > everything. Give them the perception they get that all the time. > > Mike > > At 12:25 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote: >>No, but they expect to get their speed every time they get on and they >>are great at running speed tests. I understand we are int he business >>of shared bandwidth but the equipment can only handle so much. It goes >>back to proper ratios. When you do the numbers properly, it doesnt make financial sense. >> >>On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Jayson Baker <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> > Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long. >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you " >> > > guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps" at those low >> > > rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong >> > but >> > > the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy >> > > subscribers > when >> > > their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can >> > > come >> > in. >> > > I >> > > find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds >> > > if it >> > can >> > > be delivered. >> > > >> > > BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost > money >> > > since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of >> > > an non-subsidized "all you can eat service" company in a >> > > competitive > market >> > > that actually makes money (bottom line). >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker >> > > <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple >> > > > years, >> > and >> > > > even tested it for a bit. >> > > > >> > > > Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess. I, >> > > > myself, >> > > being >> > > > a >> > > > fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an >> > unlimited >> > > > plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use >> > > > plan. I >> > have >> > > > unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc. If I could >> > > > pay for unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too! >> > > > >> > > > We've got the infrastructure in place for a pay-per-use, and >> > > > could >> > > activate >> > > > it at anytime. We tried selling it about a year ago, and >> > > > people > just >> > > > didn't >> > > > understand the concept. People aren't used to it--most people >> > > > got >> > online >> > > > when Internet was $19.95/mo for dialup (or, $22.95 for AOL!), >> > > > and > don't >> > > > remember the 10 for $10 dial-up packages. Nobody knows what >> > > > ISDN > with >> > > 300 >> > > > hours is. >> > > > >> > > > We currently offer 12Mbps service for $24.95/mo. This makes us >> > > > the >> > > fastest >> > > > in the area, and the cheapest. We have local sales, support >> > > > and installations. We decided the way to win is to shape >> > > > traffic--we > offer >> > > > three 12Mbps packages; one with a guaranteed minimum of >> > > > 1.5Mbps, > 4Mbps >> > > and >> > > > 6Mbps. If you do nothing than browse, share pictures, etc. (i.e. >> > "normal >> > > > use") you'll always see the 12Mbps. But once you fire up a >> > > > torrent > or >> > > > Netflix, you only get that speed for 10 minutes--after that, >> > > > you get >> > your >> > > > guaranteed minimum. Prices double from 1.5 to 4, and double >> > > > again >> > going >> > > to >> > > > 6Mbps. We have never had a complaint about speed or price with >> > > > this structure. >> > > > >> > > > I'm hoping that the "big guys" do go to pay-per-use plans. >> > > > Just one >> > more >> > > > way we can advertise and win against them. "Tired of counting >> > > > your >> > bits >> > > > and >> > > > bytes? We're unlimited" Look at Cricket wireless--they've >> > > > just >> > exploded >> > > > with customers on their unlimited-everything service. >> > > > >> > > > Just my 2 cents >> > > > >> > > > Jayson >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > The cellular guys don't charge by the minute... I have an > unlimited >> > > plan >> > > > > on my cell phone. I can also get unlimited text and internet > access >> > for >> > > > > $9.95/mo extra. >> > > > > >> > > > > People don't want to guess what their internet bills are >> > > > > going to > be >> > > from >> > > > > month to month. Would you want that at your own home? >> > > > > >> > > > > Travis >> > > > > Microserv >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Gary Garrett wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > You sound like the cell phone company. >> > > > > I am convinced the big failure in my business model is I >> > > > > charge by >> > the >> > > > > month while the cellular guys charge by the minute. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Travis Johnson wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Hi, >> > > > > >> > > > > You are talking about having to add additional resources >> > > > > (radius, >> > etc.) >> > > > > to track it. Then you have to bill it. Then you get to deal >> > > > > with > the >> > > > > phone calls from users that say "My computer wasn't even >> > > > > turned on during those times. Remove the charge or I will go elsewhere." > So, >> > > even >> > > > > that one extra phone call costs you money (because you have >> > > > > to > think >> > > > > about scaling). Imagine if you have 100x the number of >> > > > > customers > you >> > > > > have now... does the same solution work? Probably not. >> > > > > >> > > > > The easier solution would be to call that customer and get >> > > > > them to upgrade to the next plan up (which would provide >> > > > > higher speed as >> > well). >> > > > > This works very well for us... and then I have that >> > > > > guaranteed > extra >> > > > > income each month, even if they don't use it. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ---- >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! 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