Jayson Baker wrote: > Echostar's IPTV product is different from DISH Network's > wholesale/resellable service. DISH cannot cross ROW's. Echo IPTV can, it > was designed to do just that. > > Middleware was something I wasn't too heavily involved in, to be honest with > you. But I do know your IPTV STB won't run without it. Take a look at > Minerva - great middleware. You must use an approved middleware to get > hooked up with the big boys like Disney -- they want to ensure that only > people you sell their picture to are able to get it (i.e. encrypted, with a > middleware controlling encryption and access). etc. etc. etc.
Bah! Now see that kills the Roku's and other STB's like them. I wonder how they deal with netflix/hulu on xbox/ps3 > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:56 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > >> Jayson Baker wrote: >>> Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. >>> >>> Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite >> receivers; >>> each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output. >> Thats more channels then I am even really looking to start will, unless I >> can >> find a 'prepackaged' setup with more. >> >>> We'd take the ASI stream, and run it into an ASI-input PCI card. Each >> card >>> took 4 ASI streams, and was about $1000 each. >>> >>> Linux software on the server pulled each channel out of the ASI and >>> converted it to MPEG 4. Cheap, easy, simple. >>> >>> They'd put out a multicast stream, which our network took and pushed out >> the >>> fiber ring. We even had it going down some wireless links, so I could >> get >>> it at my house 20 miles away. >>> >>> The money in the headend comes in when you by the middleware -- this you >>> cannot just "roll your own" Middleware handles billing, authentication, >>> licenses, guide, etc. >> I must be missing something. It seams to me that billing and authentication >> are >> simple and can be handled by the system that I pretty much have in place >> now. I >> am not sure what licenses such software would need to deal with. A guide is >> pretty easy too, unless there is some form of 'Intellectual Property' BS >> going >> on with rolling your own guide capabilities. >> >>> >>> Making deals with companies to rebroadcast their channels is going to be >>> another major hurdle. Unless you are big (i.e. have $$$) don't think >> you'll >>> be carrying anything in the Disney/ESPN/ABC family. And forget about >> HBO. >>> You'll need a fancy (i.e. $$$) lawyer who has been down this road before >> to >>> negotiate these deals. When we set ours up, we hired a lawyer away from >>> Comcast. After everything was in place, he went on to other things. >> Yea thats what I figured. >>> >>> Echostar has an IPTV solution, you may want to look into that. AFAIK, >> you >>> pay them for everything, and they handle it all. Their feed, their >> headend, >>> their encoders, their middleware, their STB's. One nice thing about that >> is >>> it's the same DISH Network interface a lot of satellite users are already >>> used to. >> What I have looked into with them is they have a "may not cross public >> right of >> way" clause making is useless for anything except MDU's, or is that only >> with >> dish network label setups? Will check it out. >> >> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >> jree...@18-30chat.net >>>> wrote: >>>> Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be >>>> putting >>>> it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster >>>> clients, >>>> etc come to mind sooner). >>>> >>>> I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the >> free >>>> channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, >>>> close) >>>> of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to >>>> rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to >>>> find a >>>> place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals >> are >>>> easy >>>> enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, >> no >>>> biggie >>>> over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are >>>> direct, >>>> some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a >> license >>>> sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have >>>> enough >>>> people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing >>>> licensee >>>> and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have >> a >>>> license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) >>>> >>>> can...@believewireless.net wrote: >>>>> When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start >>>>> if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH >>>> project I >>>>>> was involved in. >>>>>> They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their >>>>>> super-headend (aggregator). >>>>>> They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little >>>> easier. >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >>>> jree...@18-30chat.net >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does >> not >>>> seam >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . >>>> I >>>>>>> can not >>>>>>> find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, >>>> etc. >>>>>>> There >>>>>>> is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, >>>> yet =) >>>>>>> I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary >> issues >>>>>>> there. I >>>>>>> am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and >>>>>>> instead >>>>>>> pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et >>>> al. >>>>>>> So, what options exist for IPTV ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>>>> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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