You can roll your own middleware until you have to deal with encryption. Most IPTV settop boxes are provisioned via bootp to push out the OS and the channel maps, so it is a trivial matter to provision a STB on your own. Encryption, however, complicates matters a lot and, as Jayson mentioned, even if you could roll your own, it doesn't matter the networks require specific platform and aren't going to trust home-grown solutions.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net <jree...@18-30chat.net > wrote: > Jayson Baker wrote: > > Echostar's IPTV product is different from DISH Network's > > wholesale/resellable service. DISH cannot cross ROW's. Echo IPTV can, > it > > was designed to do just that. > > > > Middleware was something I wasn't too heavily involved in, to be honest > with > > you. But I do know your IPTV STB won't run without it. Take a look at > > Minerva - great middleware. You must use an approved middleware to get > > hooked up with the big boys like Disney -- they want to ensure that only > > people you sell their picture to are able to get it (i.e. encrypted, with > a > > middleware controlling encryption and access). etc. etc. etc. > > Bah! Now see that kills the Roku's and other STB's like them. I wonder how > they > deal with netflix/hulu on xbox/ps3 > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:56 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > > > >> Jayson Baker wrote: > >>> Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. > >>> > >>> Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite > >> receivers; > >>> each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output. > >> Thats more channels then I am even really looking to start will, unless > I > >> can > >> find a 'prepackaged' setup with more. > >> > >>> We'd take the ASI stream, and run it into an ASI-input PCI card. Each > >> card > >>> took 4 ASI streams, and was about $1000 each. > >>> > >>> Linux software on the server pulled each channel out of the ASI and > >>> converted it to MPEG 4. Cheap, easy, simple. > >>> > >>> They'd put out a multicast stream, which our network took and pushed > out > >> the > >>> fiber ring. We even had it going down some wireless links, so I could > >> get > >>> it at my house 20 miles away. > >>> > >>> The money in the headend comes in when you by the middleware -- this > you > >>> cannot just "roll your own" Middleware handles billing, > authentication, > >>> licenses, guide, etc. > >> I must be missing something. It seams to me that billing and > authentication > >> are > >> simple and can be handled by the system that I pretty much have in place > >> now. I > >> am not sure what licenses such software would need to deal with. A guide > is > >> pretty easy too, unless there is some form of 'Intellectual Property' BS > >> going > >> on with rolling your own guide capabilities. > >> > >>> > >>> Making deals with companies to rebroadcast their channels is going to > be > >>> another major hurdle. Unless you are big (i.e. have $$$) don't think > >> you'll > >>> be carrying anything in the Disney/ESPN/ABC family. And forget about > >> HBO. > >>> You'll need a fancy (i.e. $$$) lawyer who has been down this road > before > >> to > >>> negotiate these deals. When we set ours up, we hired a lawyer away > from > >>> Comcast. After everything was in place, he went on to other things. > >> Yea thats what I figured. > >>> > >>> Echostar has an IPTV solution, you may want to look into that. AFAIK, > >> you > >>> pay them for everything, and they handle it all. Their feed, their > >> headend, > >>> their encoders, their middleware, their STB's. One nice thing about > that > >> is > >>> it's the same DISH Network interface a lot of satellite users are > already > >>> used to. > >> What I have looked into with them is they have a "may not cross public > >> right of > >> way" clause making is useless for anything except MDU's, or is that only > >> with > >> dish network label setups? Will check it out. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > >> jree...@18-30chat.net > >>>> wrote: > >>>> Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not > be > >>>> putting > >>>> it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster > >>>> clients, > >>>> etc come to mind sooner). > >>>> > >>>> I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the > >> free > >>>> channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's > (well, > >>>> close) > >>>> of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission > to > >>>> rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping > to > >>>> find a > >>>> place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals > >> are > >>>> easy > >>>> enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, > >> no > >>>> biggie > >>>> over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are > >>>> direct, > >>>> some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a > >> license > >>>> sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you > have > >>>> enough > >>>> people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing > >>>> licensee > >>>> and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone > have > >> a > >>>> license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) > >>>> > >>>> can...@believewireless.net wrote: > >>>>> When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to > start > >>>>> if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker < > jay...@spectrasurf.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH > >>>> project I > >>>>>> was involved in. > >>>>>> They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their > >>>>>> super-headend (aggregator). > >>>>>> They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little > >>>> easier. > >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > >>>> jree...@18-30chat.net > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does > >> not > >>>> seam > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada > . > >>>> I > >>>>>>> can not > >>>>>>> find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, > soho, > >>>> etc. > >>>>>>> There > >>>>>>> is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am > at, > >>>> yet =) > >>>>>>> I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary > >> issues > >>>>>>> there. I > >>>>>>> am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV > and > >>>>>>> instead > >>>>>>> pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, > et > >>>> al. > >>>>>>> So, what options exist for IPTV ? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>>>>>> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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