I'll try to drive by next week to get a piece, and I'll let you know what my shade tree test shows.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure I think that depends on what you are trying to do. If you have a device that emits radiation you don't want out, you want to absorb it. Reflecting it back on yourself could be counter-productive. If you are trying to keep another source's radiation out of your equipment, I do not believe it matters. Reflect or absorb, just keep it out. I am not sure if the molecular density matters or not. Chuck Profito wrote: > Scott, OK, I admit I'm totally dumb here. > For shielding do you want absorption of signal or reflectivity of signal? Do > you want to conduct it to dissipaters or reflect it back to source or > contain it? > > I have a machine shop customer that makes enclosures and he has sheets of > thin lead with adhesive on one side that he puts on the inside lid of a case > that looks like an old IBM AT case. He told me it was to BLOCK signal coming > in. he does not ground it except where there is a case mounting screw. He > used to do this for Sysco too. > > Now to the next questions. If Lead is heaver, is it more molecularly dense > than steel? > Would molecular density have more to do blocking or containing micro wave > radiation. > (They do use it to block very, very short wavelengths, but 2-8 foot > thickness!) > > I guess I should drive by and get a piece and put it on and off a pigtail > and watch the signal on my lap top. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Scott Reed > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:13 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure > > Oops, yes I got that one backwards. > Conductivity of several items is on > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conductivity > Resistance of more items is at http://physics.info/electric-resistance/ > According to the second site, Steel has about 10x the resistance of > copper, about 7x the resistance of aluminum. > > [email protected] wrote: > >> Isn't copper a better conductor? Aluminum is lighter but not as good of a >> > conductor. That's why high tension wires have to be fatter than copper wires > to carry the same current but they're cheaper and lighter. > >> Greg >> >> On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Scott Reed wrote: >> >> >> >>> I would think so. Aluminum is a little better conductor, but copper's >>> physical characteristics make it easier to work with in many >>> > applications. > >>> [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I thought the heavy duty EMP shielding the govt/mil does at protected >>>> > sites uses copper. > >>>> Greg >>>> On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Scott Reed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Can you point me to a source to confirm this? Aluminum is a better >>>>> conductor than steel so I would think it does a better job. I would be >>>>> > > >>>>> interested in reading about the physics behind this. >>>>> >>>>> MDK wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Aluminum is moderately effective at attenuating microwave rf. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steel is needed to dampen EMP (from lightning strikes). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally >>>>>>> > use > >>>>>>> steel if not? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use these: >>>>>>> http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2&eq=&Tp= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." >>>>>>> --- Albert Einstein >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put >>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>> radios >>>>>>>> in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to >>>>>>>> > keep > >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. >>>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Mike" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my >>>>>>>>> messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do >>>>>>>>> have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been >>>>>>>>> afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to >>>>>>>>> create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good >>>>>>>>> > job > >>>>>>>>> of shielding if you attach the pigtail. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been >>>>>>>>> > an > >>>>>>>>> issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having >>>>>>>>> multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues >>>>>>>>> > too? > >>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside >>>>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>>>> box, >>>>>>>>>> the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>> box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the >>>>>>>>>> > 411's to > >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from >>>>>>>>>> > someone > >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>> nothing and some 411 cards "so why not play?" was my thinking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On > >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same >>>>>>>>>> spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if >>>>>>>>>> there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes >>>>>>>>>> another one listening. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough >>>>>>>>>>> > to > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> push >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>>>>>> meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your >>>>>>>>>>> customer >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> base. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it >>>>>>>>>>> > into > >>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>> 180 >>>>>>>>>>> degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few >>>>>>>>>>> > more > >>>>>>>>>>> customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if >>>>>>>>>>> > you > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put >>>>>>>>>>> > you to > >>>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>>> you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one >>>>>>>>>>> > per > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sector. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, >>>>>>>>>>> > I > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of >>>>>>>>>>> > my > >>>>>>>>>>> remote >>>>>>>>>>> AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The >>>>>>>>>>> anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio >>>>>>>>>>> > card > >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of >>>>>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>>>>> until the third sector is needed. That's something someone >>>>>>>>>>> > already > >>>>>>>>>>> suggested doing and I like the economics of it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> > [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still >>>>>>>>>>> > able to > >>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>> that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At >>>>>>>>>>> > peak > >>>>>>>>>>> times, >>>>>>>>>>> we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, >>>>>>>>>>> > but > >>>>>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>>>>> not happening very often right now. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> > [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Robert West >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:23 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, >>>>>>>>>>> Jason? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> curious. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> > [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the >>>>>>>>>>> > lack > >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> horsepower on the AP's CPU? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Greg >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AP's, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>> would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue >>>>>>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AP >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. >>>>>>>>>>>> > We've > >>>>>>>>>>>> seen a >>>>>>>>>>>> performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs >>>>>>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> boards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with single radios? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> strength >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the >>>>>>>>>>>> Indiana >>>>>>>>>>>> farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have >>>>>>>>>>>> > had > >>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> luck >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing >>>>>>>>>>>> clients >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will >>>>>>>>>>>> justify >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sectors, I would go that way though. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> salesmen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go >>>>>>>>>>>> farther, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a >>>>>>>>>>>> high >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> density >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we >>>>>>>>>>>> > are > >>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>> established in our area and have most of these sites already in >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> operation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> density. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Harnish >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark McElvy >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this >>>>>>>>>>>>> > AP > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> 32 >>>>>>>>>>>>> subs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What frequency band and polarization? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from >>>>>>>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Omni >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you >>>>>>>>>>>>> > need > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> offload >>>>>>>>>>>>> some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel White >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3-dB Networks >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark McElvy >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 9db >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What size omni are you using? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>> antenna design said so :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > cost > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. 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