Its started comparing Motorola up coming Wimax 802.16e MiMO with Ubiquity MIMO
Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ________________________________ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche "off track" owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sure what any of that has to do with Wimax??? 3-dB Networks wrote: Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements.... Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> wrote: moto Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean they are talking about comming out with? In WISP time, there is a big difference. Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at current Canopy level price points. But that is an if. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Less? Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" <ple...@apertonet.com> <mailto:ple...@apertonet.com> wrote: Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, less throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't get any hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards, since those are only applicable to licensed bands. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Wimax gear We are looking for some more wimax gear to test for the 3.65 band, our basic criteria would be 802.16e/mimo, we've tested Alvarion gear already. We are looking for something that will work in an urban environment with self install radios, can deliver voice and if possible with PPP/NAT/DHCP in the radio rather then as an external gateway device. If any dealers out there would like to chime in or hit me off list I would appreciate it. Regards Michael Baird --- --- ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- ----------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! 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