Yep! and quit spending "our" money to get it there, if it even registered on the radar. I could go further about all the $$$ they give to rural telco's, but that's another matter.
Scott ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: RickG <[email protected]> Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:31:37 -0500 >That is my point. Over my lifetime, I've done a lot of moving and traveling. >What I find is that some areas are not as progressive as others - and they >want it that way. Why do the Feds think they know whats best for these >areas? Dont the locals know whats best for themselves? If the majority in >these areas dont want broadband access so be it. If the minority in these >areas wants it, then they need to change the minds of the majority, figure >out a way to get it there, or move. Where is my thinking wrong here? >-RickG > >On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Stuart Pierce <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Under/un-served areas unfortunately doesn't guarantee any take rate or even >> clients being able to or wanting to make payment. So your own money would be >> best in those situations rather than stimulus for sure. >> >> >> >Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> You've got an area with 25k households close by and you don't have >> anything >> >> in there? No one else has anything there either? >> >> >> >> That's 2.5 times MORE than my ENTIRE COUNTY has in it! >> >> >> >> Man I could be making a lot more money if I lived nearly anywhere else! >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <[email protected]> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there >> were >> >>> 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those >> counties I >> >>> was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. >> (And >> >>> one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a >> >>> different provider to include them in their application, but that >> provider >> >>> chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy >> for >> >>> me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. >> >>> >> >>> What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census >> >>> block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block >> >>> (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the >> >>> houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very >> >>> difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it >> >>> doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone >> else >> >>> building out to them either. >> >>> >> >>> Chuck >> >>> >> >>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> I think so. >> >>>> >> >>>> 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into >> >>>> account >> >>>> the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps >> >>>> others?). >> >>>> >> >>>> It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so >> many >> >>>> homes untouched. >> >>>> >> >>>> At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's >> >>>> $288,000,000 >> >>>> in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. >> I >> >>>> can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with >> no >> >>>> options. >> >>>> >> >>>> I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see >> that >> >>>> many >> >>>> with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup >> >>>> internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do >> >>>> they >> >>>> count as one of the 24 million? >> >>>> >> >>>> laters, >> >>>> marlon >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <[email protected]> >> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm >> >>>>> wrong): >> >>>>> >> >>>>> (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO >> SERVICE. >> >>>>> His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have >> chosen >> >>>>> not >> >>>>> to subscribe. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it >> is >> >>>>> private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the >> >>>>> analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with >> >>>>> publicly available data. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Chuck >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Heya Brian, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> That's the take I had on this. That the number of households >> services >> >>>>>> was >> >>>>>> based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would >> >>>>>> give >> >>>>>> an >> >>>>>> indication of the number of actually services households. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 >> it's >> >>>>>> likely >> >>>>>> to be quite inaccurate. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of >> >>>>>> customers >> >>>>>> that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies >> >>>>>> offering services in the area. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based >> >>>>>> information are out there. It's important to know what the real >> number >> >>>>>> is >> >>>>>> and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in >> the >> >>>>>> long >> >>>>>> term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the >> >>>>>> upcoming >> >>>>>> census. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> marlon >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>> From: "Brian Webster" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Marlon, >> >>>>>>> Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I >> >>>>>>> work >> >>>>>>> with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific >> detail >> >>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>> how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was >> >>>>>>> written >> >>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>> the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come >> up >> >>>>>>> with >> >>>>>>> the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the >> first >> >>>>>>> place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am >> >>>>>>> aware >> >>>>>>> of. >> >>>>>>> The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of >> >>>>>>> residential subscribers by state. The number of households without >> >>>>>>> access >> >>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>> broadband has no relationship to the 477 data. That should be >> spelled >> >>>>>>> out >> >>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>> the report. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thank You, >> >>>>>>> Brian Webster >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]]on >> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:32 PM >> >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> OK, as I understand that the report is based upon the 477 data? >> >>>>>>> marlon >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>> From: Jack Unger >> >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:41 AM >> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Marlon, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> See the attached report. Go to Table 2 on page 11. Look at the last >> >>>>>>> cell >> >>>>>>> in the lower, right-hand corner. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> jack >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>>>>>> I still don't buy that number in the first place. I wish I knew >> more >> >>>>>>> about >> >>>>>>> how Brian came up with it. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> What % of rural households does that work out to be? >> >>>>>>> marlon >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>> From: "Jack Unger" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM >> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or >> (more >> >>>>>>> likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American >> >>>>>>> households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a >> mouthpiece >> >>>>>>> (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> jack >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Jeff Broadwick wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870365210457465250160837655 >> >>>>>>> 2.ht >> >>>>>>> ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> * REVIEW & OUTLOOK >> >>>>>>> * JANUARY 20, 2010 >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> A 'National Broadband Plan' >> >>>>>>> One more solution in search of a problem. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that >> it >> >>>>>>> will >> >>>>>>> miss a February deadline for delivering a "national broadband plan" >> >>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>> requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, >> nearly >> >>>>>>> everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for >> a >> >>>>>>> plan >> >>>>>>> to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. >> >>>>>>> That's >> >>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>> worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false >> >>>>>>> presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is >> >>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>> broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed >> of >> >>>>>>> Internet connections. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 >> >>>>>>> million >> >>>>>>> from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy >> >>>>>>> Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at >> home >> >>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>> 94%, >> >>>>>>> and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with >> broadband. >> >>>>>>> A >> >>>>>>> typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. >> >>>>>>> Wireless >> >>>>>>> bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a >> >>>>>>> 500-fold >> >>>>>>> increase since 2000. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Meanwhile, U.S. information and communications technology >> investment >> >>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>> 2008 >> >>>>>>> alone totalled $455 billion, or 22% of all U.S. capital investment. >> >>>>>>> Nominal >> >>>>>>> capital investment in telecom between 2000 and 2008 was more than >> $3.5 >> >>>>>>> trillion. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Those who favor more government control of the Internet ignore this >> >>>>>>> private >> >>>>>>> progress and point to international rankings. According to OECD >> >>>>>>> estimates, >> >>>>>>> the U.S. ranks 15th in the world in broadband penetration per >> capita. >> >>>>>>> But >> >>>>>>> because household sizes differ from country to country, and the >> U.S. >> >>>>>>> has >> >>>>>>> relatively large households, the per capita figures can be >> misleading. >> >>>>>>> A >> >>>>>>> better way to gauge wired broadband connections is per household, >> not >> >>>>>>> per >> >>>>>>> person. By that measure the U.S. ranks somewhere between 8th and >> 10th. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Such comparisons will soon be moot in any case because broadband >> >>>>>>> penetration >> >>>>>>> is growing rapidly in all OECD countries. The Technology Policy >> >>>>>>> Institute >> >>>>>>> notes that "at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is >> >>>>>>> behind >> >>>>>>> the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD >> countries >> >>>>>>> will >> >>>>>>> reach a saturation point within the next few years." >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Even the Obama Justice Department seems to reject the broadband >> market >> >>>>>>> failure thesis. "In any industry subject to significant >> technological >> >>>>>>> change, it is important that the evaluation of competition be >> >>>>>>> forward-looking rather than based on static definitions of products >> >>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>> services," said the Antitrust Division in a January 4 filing to the >> >>>>>>> FCC. >> >>>>>>> "In >> >>>>>>> the case of broadband services, it's clear that the market is >> shifting >> >>>>>>> generally in the direction of faster speeds and additional >> mobility." >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Justice concludes that while "enacting some form of regulation to >> >>>>>>> prevent >> >>>>>>> certain providers from exercising monopoly control may be tempting >> . . >> >>>>>>> . >> >>>>>>> care must be taken to avoid stifling the infrastructure investments >> >>>>>>> needed >> >>>>>>> to expand broadband access." >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> No matter, the default position of the Obama Administration is that >> >>>>>>> little >> >>>>>>> useful happens without government, so the FCC is busy planning. >> >>>>>>> Chairman >> >>>>>>> Julius Genachowski is sympathetic to net neutrality regulations >> that >> >>>>>>> would >> >>>>>>> prevent Internet service providers from using differentiated >> pricing >> >>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>> manage Web traffic. Liberal interest groups like Public Knowledge >> and >> >>>>>>> Harvard's Berkman Center for the Internet and Society are urging >> the >> >>>>>>> agency >> >>>>>>> to reinstitute "open access" mandates that would force cable >> operators >> >>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>> phone companies to share their infrastructure with rivals at >> >>>>>>> government-set >> >>>>>>> prices. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> The irony is that the private investment and innovation of recent >> >>>>>>> years >> >>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>> occurred in the wake of the FCC rolling back similar rules that >> held >> >>>>>>> back >> >>>>>>> telecom in the 1990s. 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