That is my point. Over my lifetime, I've done a lot of moving and traveling. What I find is that some areas are not as progressive as others - and they want it that way. Why do the Feds think they know whats best for these areas? Dont the locals know whats best for themselves? If the majority in these areas dont want broadband access so be it. If the minority in these areas wants it, then they need to change the minds of the majority, figure out a way to get it there, or move. Where is my thinking wrong here? -RickG
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Stuart Pierce <spie...@avolve.net> wrote: > Under/un-served areas unfortunately doesn't guarantee any take rate or even > clients being able to or wanting to make payment. So your own money would be > best in those situations rather than stimulus for sure. > > > >Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> You've got an area with 25k households close by and you don't have > anything > >> in there? No one else has anything there either? > >> > >> That's 2.5 times MORE than my ENTIRE COUNTY has in it! > >> > >> Man I could be making a lot more money if I lived nearly anywhere else! > >> marlon > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> > >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >> > >> > >> > >>> In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there > were > >>> 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those > counties I > >>> was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. > (And > >>> one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a > >>> different provider to include them in their application, but that > provider > >>> chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy > for > >>> me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. > >>> > >>> What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census > >>> block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block > >>> (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the > >>> houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very > >>> difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it > >>> doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone > else > >>> building out to them either. > >>> > >>> Chuck > >>> > >>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I think so. > >>>> > >>>> 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into > >>>> account > >>>> the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps > >>>> others?). > >>>> > >>>> It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so > many > >>>> homes untouched. > >>>> > >>>> At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's > >>>> $288,000,000 > >>>> in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. > I > >>>> can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with > no > >>>> options. > >>>> > >>>> I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see > that > >>>> many > >>>> with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup > >>>> internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do > >>>> they > >>>> count as one of the 24 million? > >>>> > >>>> laters, > >>>> marlon > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> > >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm > >>>>> wrong): > >>>>> > >>>>> (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO > SERVICE. > >>>>> His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have > chosen > >>>>> not > >>>>> to subscribe. > >>>>> > >>>>> (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it > is > >>>>> private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the > >>>>> analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with > >>>>> publicly available data. > >>>>> > >>>>> Chuck > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Heya Brian, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That's the take I had on this. That the number of households > services > >>>>>> was > >>>>>> based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would > >>>>>> give > >>>>>> an > >>>>>> indication of the number of actually services households. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 > it's > >>>>>> likely > >>>>>> to be quite inaccurate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of > >>>>>> customers > >>>>>> that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies > >>>>>> offering services in the area. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based > >>>>>> information are out there. It's important to know what the real > number > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in > the > >>>>>> long > >>>>>> term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the > >>>>>> upcoming > >>>>>> census. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> marlon > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "Brian Webster" <bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> > >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Marlon, > >>>>>>> Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I > >>>>>>> work > >>>>>>> with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific > detail > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was > >>>>>>> written > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>> the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come > up > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>> the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the > first > >>>>>>> place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am > >>>>>>> aware > >>>>>>> of. > >>>>>>> The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of > >>>>>>> residential subscribers by state. The number of households without > >>>>>>> access > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> broadband has no relationship to the 477 data. That should be > spelled > >>>>>>> out > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> the report. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thank You, > >>>>>>> Brian Webster > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: > wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on > >>>>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:32 PM > >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> OK, as I understand that the report is based upon the 477 data? > >>>>>>> marlon > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: Jack Unger > >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:41 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Marlon, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> See the attached report. Go to Table 2 on page 11. Look at the last > >>>>>>> cell > >>>>>>> in the lower, right-hand corner. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> jack > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >>>>>>> I still don't buy that number in the first place. I wish I knew > more > >>>>>>> about > >>>>>>> how Brian came up with it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What % of rural households does that work out to be? > >>>>>>> marlon > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Jack Unger" <jun...@ask-wi.com> > >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or > (more > >>>>>>> likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American > >>>>>>> households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a > mouthpiece > >>>>>>> (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> jack > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jeff Broadwick wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870365210457465250160837655 > >>>>>>> 2.ht > >>>>>>> ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> * REVIEW & OUTLOOK > >>>>>>> * JANUARY 20, 2010 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> A 'National Broadband Plan' > >>>>>>> One more solution in search of a problem. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that > it > >>>>>>> will > >>>>>>> miss a February deadline for delivering a "national broadband plan" > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, > nearly > >>>>>>> everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for > a > >>>>>>> plan > >>>>>>> to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. > >>>>>>> That's > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>> worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false > >>>>>>> presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>> broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed > of > >>>>>>> Internet connections. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 > >>>>>>> million > >>>>>>> from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy > >>>>>>> Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at > home > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> 94%, > >>>>>>> and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with > broadband. > >>>>>>> A > >>>>>>> typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. > >>>>>>> Wireless > >>>>>>> bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a > >>>>>>> 500-fold > >>>>>>> increase since 2000. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Meanwhile, U.S. information and communications technology > investment > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> 2008 > >>>>>>> alone totalled $455 billion, or 22% of all U.S. capital investment. > >>>>>>> Nominal > >>>>>>> capital investment in telecom between 2000 and 2008 was more than > $3.5 > >>>>>>> trillion. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Those who favor more government control of the Internet ignore this > >>>>>>> private > >>>>>>> progress and point to international rankings. According to OECD > >>>>>>> estimates, > >>>>>>> the U.S. ranks 15th in the world in broadband penetration per > capita. > >>>>>>> But > >>>>>>> because household sizes differ from country to country, and the > U.S. > >>>>>>> has > >>>>>>> relatively large households, the per capita figures can be > misleading. > >>>>>>> A > >>>>>>> better way to gauge wired broadband connections is per household, > not > >>>>>>> per > >>>>>>> person. By that measure the U.S. ranks somewhere between 8th and > 10th. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Such comparisons will soon be moot in any case because broadband > >>>>>>> penetration > >>>>>>> is growing rapidly in all OECD countries. The Technology Policy > >>>>>>> Institute > >>>>>>> notes that "at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is > >>>>>>> behind > >>>>>>> the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD > countries > >>>>>>> will > >>>>>>> reach a saturation point within the next few years." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Even the Obama Justice Department seems to reject the broadband > market > >>>>>>> failure thesis. "In any industry subject to significant > technological > >>>>>>> change, it is important that the evaluation of competition be > >>>>>>> forward-looking rather than based on static definitions of products > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> services," said the Antitrust Division in a January 4 filing to the > >>>>>>> FCC. > >>>>>>> "In > >>>>>>> the case of broadband services, it's clear that the market is > shifting > >>>>>>> generally in the direction of faster speeds and additional > mobility." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Justice concludes that while "enacting some form of regulation to > >>>>>>> prevent > >>>>>>> certain providers from exercising monopoly control may be tempting > . . > >>>>>>> . > >>>>>>> care must be taken to avoid stifling the infrastructure investments > >>>>>>> needed > >>>>>>> to expand broadband access." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> No matter, the default position of the Obama Administration is that > >>>>>>> little > >>>>>>> useful happens without government, so the FCC is busy planning. > >>>>>>> Chairman > >>>>>>> Julius Genachowski is sympathetic to net neutrality regulations > that > >>>>>>> would > >>>>>>> prevent Internet service providers from using differentiated > pricing > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> manage Web traffic. Liberal interest groups like Public Knowledge > and > >>>>>>> Harvard's Berkman Center for the Internet and Society are urging > the > >>>>>>> agency > >>>>>>> to reinstitute "open access" mandates that would force cable > operators > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> phone companies to share their infrastructure with rivals at > >>>>>>> government-set > >>>>>>> prices. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The irony is that the private investment and innovation of recent > >>>>>>> years > >>>>>>> have > >>>>>>> occurred in the wake of the FCC rolling back similar rules that > held > >>>>>>> back > >>>>>>> telecom in the 1990s. Consumers continue to have access to more and > >>>>>>> more > >>>>>>> broadband services, while Google, YouTube, iTunes, Facebook and > >>>>>>> Netflix > >>>>>>> originated in the U.S. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Doesn't the Obama Administration have enough to do than mess with a > >>>>>>> part > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> the U.S. economy that is working well? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jeff > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jeff Broadwick > >>>>>>> Sales Manager, ImageStream > >>>>>>> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) > >>>>>>> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) > >>>>>>> +1 574-935-8488 (Fax) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> ---- > >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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