Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and
distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically you
start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is
available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once it
is done. 

ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast
speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you good
speed. All I do is select one torrent file and start a torrent download. ISO
downloaded in no time. Faster easier and less issues. Especially when you
deal with a big distro version that is DVD format and newly released. 

Other adoptions.... 
BitTorrent Inc has a number of licenses from Hollywood for distributing
popular content with their torrent system
Sub Pop Records reelases tracks and videos to distribute its 1000+ albums. 
The band Ween as an example uses the website Browntracker.net to distribute
hundreds of video recordings of live shows.
Babyshambles, The Libertines has extensively used torrents to distribute
hundreds of demos and live videos. 
Nine Inch Nails frequently distribute albums via BitTorrent
Many new PodCasting software start to integrate BitTorrent to help
broadcasters deal with download demands of their MP3 "radio" programs. For
example Juice and Miro support automatic processing of .torrent files from
RSS feeds. The same thing with uTurrent. 
Then you have Mininova tracker which is a Content Distributor only platform
to allow copyright holders especially smaller groups to distribute their
music, videos etc. 
In addition DGM Live! Purchass are provided via BitTorrent

CBC was the first public broadcaster in NA to make a full show available for
download using BitTorrent
NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation) has since March 08 experimented
with bittorrent distribution for selected material which NRK owns all
royalties (they use Miro) (http://nrkbeta.no/bittorrent/)
VPRO (Dutch broadcaster) released some documentaries under the Creative
Commons license using Mininova. 

Amazon S3 (Simple Storage Service) is equipped with a built-in BitTorrent
support
Bog Torrent has a bittorent track to enable bloggers to host a tracker on
their site to allow visitors to download a stub loader so they can access
picture, blog, music, videos posted by the blogger. 

As mentioned Blizzard Entertainment (especially Wow) uses built in
BitTorrent in their software for updates, patches, maps etc downloads. Some
of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and distribute
of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will
have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours.
Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and download
a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. 

Many open source and free software projects encourage BitTorrent basically
to increase availability and to reduce load on their own servers mostly when
a new software release just been released. When you have hundreds or
thousands people that want to download latest dist. Personally I don't mind
to help seed a Fedora torrent because it helps me out when a new version is
available as well. 

So enough legal usages and samples for you now to still think it's ok to
totally block or throttle BitTorrent to nothingness? Your customers pay you
to get access to data what they access is after all really not your
responsibility. Yours is to provide them with access and ensure that they
have good access and get what they pay for which means control and maintain
network stability and speed by managing your traffic to a level that is good
for everyone. The more people that blatantly block things and especially
when there is no other highspeed options will cause the FCC/government to
step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed or
especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and very
upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide it in
a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user sign it
but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in deep
waters. 
I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do throttle it
and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps
shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data transfers
is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above
fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download
things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my
available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is
happy. 

/ Eje

-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the
majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream protocol
that needs to be supported.

Wow patches?  Here's some HTTP mirrors...
http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors

MT updates?  Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need.

*nix distros?  Click the HTTP links above or below it.

These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask, without
answer, for other examples.

Josh Luthman
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr
<wirel...@judgementgaming.com>wrote:

> I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent.
>
> We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with
> the AP they are on.  We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and
> sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz
> APs.
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> > Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik.  What else that you would go
> > under oath saying you torrented?
> >
> > On 2/14/10, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote:
> >> We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing.  But "allowing"
> >> means no 24 hour downloading.
> >>
> >> Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via torrent.
> >>
> >> Bob-
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of RickG
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents
> >>
> >> Even though our AUP & TOS does not allow it, I have a customer
> >> demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I
> >> being over
> >>  zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them?
> >> -RickG
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