If I'm being charged $7000/month just to get to Syracuse by this new build out, I can't imagine what they'd charge to go to NYC.
Chuck On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from Ithaca, > Syracuse, Binghamton, or Rochester to 60 Hudson St. or 111 8th Ave., New > York. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. >> They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is >> really too far but is the next closest meet point). >> >> Chuck >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >> >>> He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 >>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us >>> $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly the >>> gig that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I *do* >>> use would more than double. >>> >>> Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not >>> available at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year >>> special, are for about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale >>> purchases, not gig purchases). >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>>> So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access to >>>> needed areas? >>>> >>>> The middle mile could be built wherever. >>>> >>>> The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and >>>> wireless. >>>> Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM >>>> To: <char...@knownelement.com>; "WISPA General List" >>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>> >>>>> In my experience, >>>>> >>>>> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, >>>>> it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but >>>>> it >>>>> doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are >>>>> exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. >>>>> >>>>> (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded >>>>> by >>>>> NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm >>>>> sure >>>>> there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. >>>>> >>>>> As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which >>>>> applications I'm familiar with. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Citations needed? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining >>>>>> about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at >>>>>> competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list >>>>>> feel >>>>>> that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing >>>>>> infestructure? >>>>>> Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 >>>>>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>> >>>>>> I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already >>>>>> have >>>>>> at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last >>>>>> mile >>>>>> done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and observation, >>>>>> a >>>>>> lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for >>>>>> redundant >>>>>> fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing >>>>>> functionality >>>>>> that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. >>>>>> Worse, >>>>>> the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last >>>>>> mile >>>>>> providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) >>>>>> mostly already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact on >>>>>> where service is needed for last mile access. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to >>>>>>> middle >>>>>>> milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well >>>>>>> understood >>>>>>> and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Justin Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t >>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high >>>>>>>> capacity >>>>>>>> transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in >>>>>>>> bulk >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> have access to such things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If you >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a >>>>>>>> meg >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> could afford to up the subscriber speeds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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