Mike, Last month, you mentioned that a ARRA project was approved in your neighborhood, and that you will benefit from it. That was great news to hear.
I would be interested in hearing exactly how you will benefit. What pricing they'll be offering, etc. If the project will be a success to help WISPs, we should point it out as a case study on how a project can benefit public, if done correctly. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Apparently your area's applicant is a jerk. :-p ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Bartosch" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:42 AM To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > If I'm being charged $7000/month just to get to Syracuse by this new build > out, I can't imagine what they'd charge to go to NYC. > > Chuck > > On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from >> Ithaca, >> Syracuse, Binghamton, or Rochester to 60 Hudson St. or 111 8th Ave., New >> York. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. >>> They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is >>> really too far but is the next closest meet point). >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chuck Bartosch <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 >>>> To: WISPA General List<[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>> >>>> I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us >>>> $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly >>>> the >>>> gig that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I >>>> *do* >>>> use would more than double. >>>> >>>> Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not >>>> available at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year >>>> special, are for about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale >>>> purchases, not gig purchases). >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> >>>>> So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access >>>>> to >>>>> needed areas? >>>>> >>>>> The middle mile could be built wherever. >>>>> >>>>> The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and >>>>> wireless. >>>>> Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM >>>>> To: <[email protected]>; "WISPA General List" >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>> >>>>>> In my experience, >>>>>> >>>>>> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of >>>>>> backhaul, >>>>>> it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, >>>>>> but >>>>>> it >>>>>> doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are >>>>>> exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. >>>>>> >>>>>> (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded >>>>>> by >>>>>> NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm >>>>>> sure >>>>>> there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which >>>>>> applications I'm familiar with. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Citations needed? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have seen many many many posts on this list discussing/complaining >>>>>>> about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul at >>>>>>> competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list >>>>>>> feel >>>>>>> that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing >>>>>>> infestructure? >>>>>>> Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Chuck Bartosch <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List<[email protected]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas already >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting last >>>>>>> mile >>>>>>> done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and >>>>>>> observation, >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for >>>>>>> redundant >>>>>>> fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing >>>>>>> functionality >>>>>>> that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. >>>>>>> Worse, >>>>>>> the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with last >>>>>>> mile >>>>>>> providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) >>>>>>> mostly already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> where service is needed for last mile access. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to >>>>>>>> middle >>>>>>>> milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well >>>>>>>> understood >>>>>>>> and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Justin Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t >>>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other >>>>>>>>> high >>>>>>>>> capacity >>>>>>>>> transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in >>>>>>>>> bulk >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> have access to such things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around >>>>>>>>> $450 >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a >>>>>>>>> meg >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> could afford to up the subscriber speeds. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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