Hopefully I don't step on anyone's toes posting this on a public list. I'm assuming that since it was filed with the feds, it'd be public through FoIA or some other request.
Any lateral construction done at cost. $300/month for an enterprise grade 100 meg PtP, $600/month for GigE PtP, pricing not yet released for residential circuits. Transit available for $20 - $30/meg. This project puts 130 miles throughout my county. I'm looking to try to pick up some enterprise clients, but this will also enable me to have some redundancy without chewing up spectrum. I'll also use this once I establish a customer base at a new tower. I'm working with another entity for a bigger, state-wide project that would take me into Equinix (and all over the state) for $56/month for 10 meg $118/month for 100 meg, variable GigE PtP pricing, but for my 60 mile drive, it's $871/month to Equinix. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:47 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > Mike, > > Last month, you mentioned that a ARRA project was approved in your > neighborhood, and that you will benefit from it. That was great news to > hear. > > I would be interested in hearing exactly how you will benefit. What > pricing > they'll be offering, etc. If the project will be a success to help WISPs, > we > should point it out as a case study on how a project can benefit public, > if > done correctly. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > > Apparently your area's applicant is a jerk. :-p > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:42 AM > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> If I'm being charged $7000/month just to get to Syracuse by this new >> build >> out, I can't imagine what they'd charge to go to NYC. >> >> Chuck >> >> On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from >>> Ithaca, >>> Syracuse, Binghamton, or Rochester to 60 Hudson St. or 111 8th Ave., New >>> York. >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:31 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>>> But He.net isn't in Syracuse so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. >>>> They aren't in Binghamton either. Nor are they in Rochester (which is >>>> really too far but is the next closest meet point). >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:21 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> He.net will do $1 per Meg with 1 gig minimum commit. >>>>> >>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:09 >>>>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>> >>>>> I can't use a gig right now. However, to *get* that gig would cost us >>>>> $7000/month for a wavelength on one provider's new network. Suddenly >>>>> the >>>>> gig that I can't really use isn't cheap at all. The costs for what I >>>>> *do* >>>>> use would more than double. >>>>> >>>>> Even in the carrier hotels in the bigger cities, bandwidth is not >>>>> available at $1/Mbps. Most quotes, aside from Cogent's end-of-the-year >>>>> special, are for about $8/Mbps (though that'd be for 100 Mbps scale >>>>> purchases, not gig purchases). >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So having a gig transport to $1/megabit transit doesn't deploy access >>>>>> to >>>>>> needed areas? >>>>>> >>>>>> The middle mile could be built wherever. >>>>>> >>>>>> The best middle mile project we could see is a hybrid of fiber and >>>>>> wireless. >>>>>> Mostly fiber with fiber or microwave down to clients. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:04 PM >>>>>> To: <char...@knownelement.com>; "WISPA General List" >>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>> >>>>>>> In my experience, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of >>>>>>> backhaul, >>>>>>> it's the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> doesn't prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are >>>>>>> exceptions to that-but they are going to be very very rare. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts >>>>>>> funded >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> NTIA are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> there are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which >>>>>>> applications I'm familiar with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, char...@knownelement.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Citations needed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have seen many many many posts on this list >>>>>>>> discussing/complaining >>>>>>>> about middle mile/back haul issues including access and expense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the vast majority of wisps have access to sufficient back haul >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> competive prices then I stand corrected. Do the wisps on this list >>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>> that your back haul needs are being adequately met with existing >>>>>>>> infestructure? >>>>>>>> Maybe someone should setup a poll on a website and let wisps vote? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:04 >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think largely the middle mile funds are wasted. Most areas >>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> at least *some* fiber. The cost, and the problem, is in getting >>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>> mile >>>>>>>> done, not middle mile done. From my direct experience and >>>>>>>> observation, >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> lot of the middle mile projects NTIA is funding is really for >>>>>>>> redundant >>>>>>>> fiber. Where it isn't redundant it isn't really providing >>>>>>>> functionality >>>>>>>> that would help last mile access in the projects I've looked at. >>>>>>>> Worse, >>>>>>>> the middle mile projects are NOT being designed intimately with >>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>> mile >>>>>>>> providers. They are going to "key community institutions" which (1) >>>>>>>> mostly already have fiber connections and (2) really have no impact >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> where service is needed for last mile access. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to >>>>>>>>> middle >>>>>>>>> milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well >>>>>>>>> understood >>>>>>>>> and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Justin Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I think part of the issue is economies of scale. Many rural ISPs >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> T1s and T3s at best. The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t >>>>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other >>>>>>>>>> high >>>>>>>>>> capacity >>>>>>>>>> transport. With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in >>>>>>>>>> bulk >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support >>>>>>>>>> it) >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> have access to such things. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around >>>>>>>>>> $450 >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> month. Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg. If >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a >>>>>>>>>> meg >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> could afford to up the subscriber speeds. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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