Airview should do this on the ubnt radios with latest firmware. 2.4 goes crazy with my microwave on, So it doesn't just show 802.11.
Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 ---------------------------------------- From: "Justin Wilson" <li...@mtin.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:13 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Canopy is proprietary. If you are not running canopy you will need a spectrum analyzer that sees the raw RF. -- Justin Wilson <j...@mtin.net> http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappydsl.net> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:04:54 -0400 To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Interesting... What would a Canopy Signature look like ? Faisal On 4/14/2010 2:56 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: > Canopy wont show on his scan, that is a 802.11 scan .... > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:51 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today > > Ouch... looks like noise in the area is killing you... > Does any know what the Moto Canopy Mac address start with ? > > This way you can check to see if there is Moto Canopy running there.. > > You should seriously consider change out the 2.4 to the 5x radios. > > Faisal. > > On 4/14/2010 2:28 PM, AJ wrote: > >> Current "stable" setup is Airmax on, 10 Mhz channel, freq 2417 >> > (channel 2). > >> Noise floor varies -96 to -83 dBm >> Signal RX from station -59 to -67 >> TX/RX 13 Mbps >> CCQ 100% >> >> Speedtest shows 2.88 Mbps RX, 1.94 Mbps TX >> >> Airmax turned off >> >> Noise floor varies -96 to -85 dBm >> Signal RX from station -60 >> ACK 51 >> TX/RX 13 MBps >> CCQ 100% >> >> Speedtest shows 2.66 Mbps RX, 3.26 Mbps TX >> >> Changed both stations to 1 mile/Auto ACK and now sitting stable at >> > about 3.0 > >> Mbps TX/RX after half dozen tests... >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Faisal >> > Imtiaz<fai...@snappydsl.net>wrote: > >> >> >>> Hey AJ. >>> >>> I am curious..... >>> >>> Turn on Airmax. >>> Reduce Channel size to 10mhz or 5mhz >>> >>> And see if things improve... >>> >>> Faisal. >>> >>> On 4/14/2010 2:09 PM, AJ wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Here is the upper portion of the band running Airview - it's roughly >>>> > the > >>>> same across the entire 2.3-2.7 band that the NS2M can scan, of >>>> > course > >>>> significantly higher centered on US channels 6 and 11... hopefully >>>> > the > >>>> >>>> >>> PDF >>> >>> >>>> flows through correctly... >>>> >>>> View from the NS2M at the power supply cabinet (next to the >>>> > subdivision) > >>>> Site Survey >>>> Scanned Frequencies: >>>> 2.412GHz 2.417GHz 2.422GHz 2.427GHz 2.432GHz 2.437GHz 2.442GHz >>>> > 2.447GHz > >>>> 2.452GHz 2.457GHz 2.462GHz >>>> >>>> >>>> Scanning, please wait... >>>> MAC Address SSID Device Name Encryption Signal / Noise, dBm >>>> > Frequency, > >>>> >>>> >>> GHz >>> >>> >>>> Channel >>>> 00:21:29:66:C6:D7 Mada WPA2 -63 / -82 2.412 1 >>>> 00:23:EE:28:9B:D1 OurMaddie WPA -71 / -82 2.412 1 >>>> 00:24:7B:04:FA:66 myqwest6245 WPA -67 / -82 2.412 1 >>>> 00:19:E4:4C:F9:49 HelloMoto WPA -56 / -82 2.412 1 >>>> 00:18:84:81:A2:79 ASGARD WPA2 -76 / -84 2.427 4 >>>> 00:19:7D:05:8A:28 My PS3 WPA -75 / -85 2.437 6 >>>> 00:21:D7:90:80:10 WPA2 -59 / -85 2.437 6 >>>> 00:1C:FB:FD:CB:D0 qwestJONES WPA -74 / -84 2.447 8 >>>> 00:12:17:62:58:69 HelloMoto2G WPA -68 / -85 2.462 11 >>>> 00:15:A3:E5:15:70 Blacklab34 WPA -58 / -85 2.462 11 >>>> 00:1F:CA:26:F6:C6 WPA2 -20 / -85 2.462 11 >>>> 00:21:D7:90:7C:E0 WPA2 -51 / -85 2.462 11 >>>> 00:24:7B:14:D6:56 myqwest5589 WPA -70 / -85 2.462 11 >>>> 00:00:00:00:00:00 WEP -71 / -82 2.412 1 >>>> 00:14:A5:30:06:5C Motorola NONE -70 / -82 2.412 1 >>>> 00:22:75:46:BB:D4 Belkin_N_Wireless_46bbd4 NONE -72 / -85 >>>> > 2.432 5 > >>>> 00:21:29:95:3A:67 John NONE -81 / -85 2.437 6 >>>> 00:21:00:5C:2D:35 Home WEP -80 / -85 2.437 6 >>>> 00:0C:41:96:68:AE linksys WEP -72 / -85 2.437 6 >>>> 00:24:B2:76:6A:10 tmobile hotspot WEP -73 / -84 2.447 8 >>>> 00:15:05:36:DA:8B ACTIONTEC WEP -70 / -84 2.452 9 >>>> 00:24:7B:35:A1:54 myqwest4705 WEP -63 / -85 2.462 11 >>>> 00:00:00:00:00:00 WEP -62 / -85 2.462 11 >>>> 00:14:6C:94:B6:00 Barbara NONE -71 / -85 2.462 11 >>>> >>>> >>>> Scan from the remote employee's house facing the 2 new subdivisions: >>>> Site Survey >>>> Scanned Frequencies: >>>> 2.412GHz 2.417GHz 2.422GHz 2.427GHz 2.432GHz 2.437GHz 2.442GHz >>>> > 2.447GHz > >>>> 2.452GHz 2.457GHz 2.462GHz >>>> >>>> >>>> Scanning, please wait... >>>> MAC Address SSID Device Name Encryption Signal / Noise, dBm >>>> > Frequency, > >>>> >>>> >>> GHz >>> >>> >>>> Channel >>>> 00:1B:5B:99:09:A1 Oliver WPA -71 / -83 2.412 1 >>>> 00:1E:E5:FA:89:97 Less work for me WPA2 -75 / -83 2.412 1 >>>> 00:17:3F:57:53:B0 Revelation WPA -60 / -83 2.437 6 >>>> 00:22:3F:65:D9:6A MotoxChris WPA -60 / -83 2.437 6 >>>> 00:21:D7:90:80:10 WPA2 -61 / -83 2.437 6 >>>> 00:22:3F:A6:E7:85 NETGEAR WPA -65 / -81 2.417 2 >>>> 00:15:6D:FA:63:85 UBNT-AP UBNT-AP WPA2 -62 / -85 2.452 9 >>>> 00:23:EE:28:9B:D1 OurMaddie WPA -78 / -83 2.412 1 >>>> 00:18:F8:B8:AB:86 19darne57 WEP -77 / -83 2.437 6 >>>> 00:16:B6:45:69:4D Ralphs WEP -71 / -83 2.437 6 >>>> 00:13:10:69:BE:A8 linksys NONE -76 / -85 2.422 3 >>>> 00:21:29:95:3A:67 John NONE -72 / -83 2.437 6 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Gino Villarini<g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> If you are using the latest fw, use the airview spectrum analyzer >>>>> > to see > >>>>> your local noise >>>>> >>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>> 787.273.4143 >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >>>>> Behalf Of AJ >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:24 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today >>>>> >>>>> I'm on the latest beta firmware... >>>>> >>>>> And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is >>>>> frustrating... >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> <fai...@snappydsl.net>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it >>>>>> > helps > >>>>>> other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Wish I could get speeds like that :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge >>>>>>> > between > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives >>>>>>> > 3/4 > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> mi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> away >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> latest >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounces around -85 to -80 >>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> day >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> long >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> (I can see 26 different consumer routers from both sides of the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> link) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> from >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> the nearby subdivision... >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Joe >>>>>>> > Miller<joe.mil...@dslbyair.com > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Holy crap....where do I get one of those. That is one hell of a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> link you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> have there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joe Miller >>>>>>>> DSLbyAir, LLC >>>>>>>> 228-831-8881 >>>>>>>> www.dslbyair.com >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Greg Ihnen"<os10ru...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List"<wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. >>>>>>>> > These > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> are two >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> NS5Ms >>>>>>>> setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is being wrongly >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> reported >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>> the TX/RX is 162/162. If the rssi was for real wouldn't one >>>>>>>> > chain > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> reporting a very low connection speed, right? I'm getting >>>>>>>> > 162Mbps > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> on >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> both >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> directions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is one end of backhaul, this NS5M running station wds: rssi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> -51/-56 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>> -------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the other NS5M running ap wds: rssi -51/-94 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>> -------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like >>>>>>>>> > driving > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> sports car with all flat tires :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to >>>>>>>>> > verify > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> bad/defective units.... >>>>>>>>> Testing them , have two units sync/link to each other, reduce >>>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> power, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> little bit at a time.. you will see a 6 to 9db difference on >>>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> two >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> chains (Hpol/Vpol)... normal units will show either the same >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> signal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> level or off by a couple of db's.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Faisal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/14/2010 11:34 AM, RickG wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor >>>>>>>>>> performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a >>>>>>>>>> > repeater. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Having >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its >>>>>>>>>> > a > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> bad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> radio(s)? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael >>>>>>>>>> > Baird<m...@tc3net.com> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. >>>>>>>>>>> > Make > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> sure >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> forums. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Baird >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> working >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> great. So, I thought I'd give the "M" units a try. So far, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> nothing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> but >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> poor signal, dropped packets,& low throughput. >>>>>>>>>>>> > Replacing > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> them >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regular units fix the issue. What gives? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy >>>>>>>>>>>> <forbes.me...@wabroadband.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Bullets >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> integrated >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> not one >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> cases, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>>>>> distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>>>>>>> just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them >>>>>>>>>>>>> > to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> do >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> some >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> short range backhauls. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 5.2 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> miles, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> connected >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all >>>>>>>>>>>>> > night. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> mountain >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> install the other one. 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