I NEVER run high gain omni antennas. And I NEVER run cheapo antennas. Not anymore. They cost too much when you have to change them out or when the performance is flaky. Water in an antenna is really hard to figure out. Crazy antennas are even worse.
The problem with a high gain omni antenna is that it's vertical pattern is what, 8*? Maybe less. And they actually tend to UPtilt a bit. (look at the patterns, not the calculated ones but tested ones, be sure to ask which they are giving you......) So lets say you have an antenna with a 4* (best case) pattern headed down to the ground located at 100' up. Your signal doesn't hit the ground till 1400 feet out. And HALF of your energy never ever will hit the ground. Probably more than half. They cost a bit more but I use the Maxrad antennas with the electrical downtilt. 8dB omni antennas will allow 24dB of radio output while remaining legal EIRP wise and you can get 4 or 8* downtilt so more of the energy goes where you need it to go. These days I tend to buy more Andrew (or whatever they are these days) or RadioWaves antennas. I used to use Pac Wireless (still use the 2' grids for 5.8 though), Arc Wireless, SuperPass and a few others. If it's hard to get to the connector to weather seal, has a crappy mount or has cracked, leaked etc. I don't use them anymore. It's just too expensive in downtime, reputation, troubleshooting etc. I also only use the 433AH boards. They have more memory and processor power as I understand it. Could be wrong on that one though. I do know that the 433 boards I've gotten do NOT have the AP mode in them. I've liked the xr cards a lot so far. Been looking at the cards from Readylink (old Compex) and so far I'm liking them too. They have a bigger heat sink on them and are a bit cheaper. I'm still running and stocking both though. We'll see if there is any difference in storm season.... Chuck, what do you sell folks for a box to mount it all in? I don't see one there. OR is that the DCE? If so, what size is that box? laters, marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hogg" <[email protected]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > For small repeater sites (less than 40 subs) we'll do the following: > > These our QLW prices without special discounts: > RB/433 : $76 > XR2: $99 > XR5: $99 > DCE: $45 > Pigtail: $11.50 x2 > NM-NM Jumper: $18.50 x 2 > 2.4Ghz x12dB Omni: $70 > RJ45-ECS: $6.60 > ARC 5823 Panel: 43 > ~$500 + s/h > > 100' Cat5 run at $.17/ft = $17. > Total: ~$517 > > So for just over $500 you can do it pretty easily. > > Now..do it Ubiquiti style... > > B5: $59 > B2: $39 > ARC5823: $43 > POE: $11 x 2 > OD24 Omni: $70 > ~$265 > 2 x 100' Cat5 runs = $34 > Total ~$300 > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > [email protected] > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:36 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. > > I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to > build one. > > Good water tight box, $200+. > > Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the > cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). > > MT 433 AH board, $100ish > > XR2 card $100 ish > > Pigtail, $15 to $25 > > Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new > radio!!!!) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless > construction. > > Battery backup $100+ > > Ethernet switch $50 to $100 > > Backhaul to the tower, $200+ > > Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ > > I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost > of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working > a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done > that. > > As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. > Marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > > All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV > tower, > grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, > cheap > battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo > it > takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically > charge > 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third > screen > I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue > that counts." > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! >> >> I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites > with 3 >> to 5 subs on them :-( ). >> >> I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them > like >> that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels > in >> 2.4. >> >> For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the > top >> of >> the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still > rather >> go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in > it's >> performance. >> >> For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and > sell >> it >> at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. >> >> Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. >> marlon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP >> >> >> Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti > CPEs. >> No >> more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue >> that counts." >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> > Hi Liam: >> > >> > We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so >> > away from you). >> > >> > I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the >> > billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after >> > many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the >> > implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. >> > >> > We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, > MikroTik, >> > Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles > the >> > most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a >> > somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count > situations. >> > >> > Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in > the >> > right direction. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Chuck Hogg >> > Shelby Broadband >> > 502-722-9292 >> > [email protected] >> > http://www.shelbybb.com >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On >> > Behalf Of Liam Cummings >> > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: [WISPA] New WISP >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and > trying >> > to become a WISP. 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