----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP
>Good water tight box, $200+. The ones from Tessco are 60-100 mks: Cool. I'll have to look at them. Do they include a backing plate pre-drilled for the MT boards? >Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). I buy premade LMR400 and a N female bulkhead, I'd say $15 or 20 total mks: I buy premade jumpers nowadays too. But I spec the premium Times Microwave ends. Stainless steel and copper/brass that way, no aluminum outer or inner connectors. Same for the bulkhead connectors, I use only the o-ring ones made of stainless not aluminum. >MT 433 AH board, $100ish I only use one ethernet port and wireless card, 411ah for me. mks: If you don't do much on the box or have many customers at a site that's probably OK. I buy the units with more horsepower anyway. Never can have too much memory as far as I'm concerned :-). >XR2 card $100 ish I actually have never used the XR2 for this - only the compex cards... mks: They seem to work very similarly. I kinda think they use the same RF components. >Pigtail, $15 to $25 >Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio!!!!) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. >Battery backup $100+ I typically just use a Staples cheap one mks: I use mainly APC brand. At tower sites I'll usually run a 350 or 500 version. They may be a bit less than $100. At sites with 4 or more radios I'll usually run a 1000 or bigger though. mks: I'm toying with the idea of running all sites off of deep cycle 12vdc batteries though. Probably optima units. $200+++ for them but they should last a LONG time. Both from a voltage output standpoint and uptime if the power goes out. Just put a decent quality 12 volt charger maintainer on them.... Still thinking this one through. I'm also getting close to powering all of the servers that way. They make 12v power supplies for them. http://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-12V.htm Little spendy though.... But how cool would it be to have days of backup power and NO chance of bad power getting to the servers? mks: The biggest problem I've run into with the APC backup units is that they only trickle charge. If the power goes out you can't charge the batteries back up with a 30 minute or 1 hour hit with a generator. I ran into a problem with this two winters ago. The power went off and on for 2 weeks due to freezing fog that just wouldn't go away. Powerlines, trees, phone lines etc. all kept hitting the ground. With two generators I just couldn't keep the towers up and running long enough to keep the backups charged. It was a major PITA and I finally just had to give up and wait for the power to come back online. I'm going to start picking up more generators every year or two. Might be cheaper to put in better power in the first place though :-). >Ethernet switch $50 to $100 I've used the cheapest switches from Wintronic that are $25/$35 for 5/8 ports and I've had only a few bad (2 that I can think of). mks: Yeah, bad ports happen. Even on good switches. Out here lightning whacks a few every year. I've found that the ones with a metal case hold up better than the plastic ones. >Backhaul to the tower, $200+ I thought this was a repeater from a customer SM? mks: I do a lot of that too. It certainly helps shave costs. MY cost on a CPE install is over $200 anyway. I know it can be done for less. I'm still addicted to my Tranzeo CPE though :-). Don't forget to count the arm, cable, staples, screws, cost of a drill, labor (even if it's you) etc. 1001 ways to skin a cat :-D marlon Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Mike <m...@aweiowa.com> wrote: > Marlon: > > I am very interested in your "no more taping" bulkhead connector. Do you > mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? > > Friendly Regards, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. > > I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to > build > > one. > > Good water tight box, $200+. > > Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the > cheap > junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). > > MT 433 AH board, $100ish > > XR2 card $100 ish > > Pigtail, $15 to $25 > > Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new > radio!!!!) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless > construction. > > Battery backup $100+ > > Ethernet switch $50 to $100 > > Backhaul to the tower, $200+ > > Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ > > I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost > of > a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot > harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. > > As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. > Marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > > All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV > tower, > grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap > battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo > it > takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge > 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third > screen > I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts." > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer > <o...@odessaoffice.com>wrote: > > > 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! > > > > I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with > 3 > > to 5 subs on them :-( ). > > > > I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them > like > > that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels > > in > > 2.4. > > > > For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the > > top > > of > > the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still > rather > > go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's > > performance. > > > > For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and > > sell > > it > > at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. > > > > Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. > > marlon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > > > > > Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. > > No > > more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue > > that counts." > > --- Winston Churchill > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Liam: > > > > > > We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so > > > away from you). > > > > > > I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the > > > billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after > > > many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the > > > implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. > > > > > > We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, > > > Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the > > > most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a > > > somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count > situations. > > > > > > Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the > > > right direction. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chuck Hogg > > > Shelby Broadband > > > 502-722-9292 > > > ch...@shelbybb.com > > > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Liam Cummings > > > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM > > > To: wireless@wispa.org > > > Subject: [WISPA] New WISP > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and > trying > > > to become a WISP. 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