Hi Fred,
In my opinion there is bit of an oxymoron in your original question / 
thought......

On-one hand you are looking for a "Mesh" product, which implies a self 
configuring / self healing product... but you are also pointing out that 
this is not going to work as a whole and you will have to "Engineer" the 
links because of the Terrain etc...

Typically most folks think of a deployment as one (Mesh... turn on, let 
it self connect / self configure etc) or the other .. Engineered Link & 
Engineered Routing Protocol....

Are you sure this is what you are needing ?  You can very easily do a 
hybrid approach.. where you have an  "Engineered Back Bone" Links (these 
could be fully meshed, using OSPF or OSLR..etc) and you can do  local 
distribution using a Mesh protocol if it want to make it easy for the 
EndUsers connection.... With this you can mix and match protocol 
/equipment / radios etc.....

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
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Miami, Fl 33155
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On 6/18/2010 5:20 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 6/18/2010 04:47 PM, L. Aaron Kaplan wrote:
>
>    
>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>> (I wrote:)
>>      
>>> MicroTik says they have a meshing protocol, HWMPplus, that provides
>>> Layer 2 (this is critical; we're not building a Layer 3 network, and
>>> with this many hops, latency and loss are critical) dynamic meshing,
>>> essentially applying a routing protocol (smarter than bridge STPs) among
>>> nodes.  I can't find any documentation for it on line, though, and a
>>> distributor I've been talking to has never tried or sold it.  So does
>>> anyone on the list have any experience with the HWMPplus mesh?  Or any
>>> other suggestions?  Thanks!
>>>        
>>
>> IMHO it does not scale... is not documented and built on an outdated
>> rip-off copy  of another protocol which already developed further
>> and fixed some major scalability issues.
>>      
> MT says that it's an incompatible extension of an early draft of
> HWMP.  I don't know where HWMP is now or why they forked it.  But
> we're looking for an off-the-shelf short term solution, while we, uh,
> work on the long-term answer. The nice thing about Routerboards is
> that you can run other Linux code on them...
>
>    
>> But please, do not get discouraged and in case HWMPplus does indeed
>> work with more
>> than 100 nodes, let me know and I would be very interested in how
>> you managed to do that.
>>
>> Of course, your mileage or your needs might differ.
>>      
> The site I have in mind would need fewer than 50 nodes.  So how many
> hops and how many nodes would be reasonable limits for HWMPplus?
>
>
>
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