Forbes,

Another thing to check, do you have any switches that do POE? Make sure you 
don't have a CAT5 wire with water getting inside and traveling all the way 
down into your switch and dumping water in there.

-Kurt Fankhauser



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Kingsley" <[email protected]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP


> Forbes Mercy wrote:
>> Wow very interesting hypothesis since it happened right after a
>> lightning storm with heavy rain.  Trouble is I shut off all six
>> backhauls and started turning them on one by one until I had a "IP
>> conflict" warning then turned that one off, the IP conflict happened
>> again, yes I did arp -d to clear the bouncing out of it but then it
>> happened on a different tower, I just can't seem to find it and yes
>> we're way too large to be bridged, that was our summer project to become
>> routed but that doesn't help today.  It's a great idea but I have 54
>> AP's so I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Forbes
>
> Hi Forbes,
>
> I agree with Kurt (below), sounds like a layer2 issue.
>
> I had similar issues in the past, after storms.
> Typically a dumb switch on the network goes "bad",
> and causing arp problems.
>
> Now ... the hard part... how to find which device
> is causing the problem?
>
> Some ideas:
>
> 1) Try pinging a device on your network that you know is working fine.
> If you can't reach it, then good!  Now immediately dump your arp
> table and look for the mac address of the ip you are trying to ping.
> This mac might be the "bad" device.  Or at least it might point in the
> right direction (if you're doing proxy-arp on some of your links
> then the "bad" device may be located on the other side of this mac).
>
> 2) Start up wireshark (or tcpdump) and watch the arp packets.
> Look for a mac address which show up a lot. Dump your arp table
> and see what ip addresses match this mac address.
> Look for arp table entries which have the same mac,
> which is not normal (unless you're doing proxy-arp).
>
> Doing this may give some clues.  If you have many different
> types of devices on your network, use one of the mac lookup tools
> to find out what kind of device it is, given the mac address:
>   http://www.coffer.com/mac_find
> This might help narrow down the device.
>
> 3) Watch the stats on the radios to see which clients or radio links
> have high packet counts.  If there is an arp storm, this may
> help you narrow down which client is causing the storm.
> (ideally do it at a time when your network is normally quiet, like early 
> morning)
>
> 4) Focus on sites where you have dumb switches installed.
> I find these dumb switches often go berserk when zapped.
>
> 5) Focus on sites that have had problems in past storms.
> Chances are higher that they are causing your current problem.
> (in my case these sites are the ones which don't have shielded cat5 or
> are poorly grounded)
>
> 6) If your network covers a large geographical area and
> the storm was localized then focus on looking for the bad
> device in the area where the storm hit hard.
>
> Good luck.
>
> John
>
>>
>> On 8/1/2010 11:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> Forbes,
>>>
>>> I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months 
>>> back.
>>> Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the
>>> Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms 
>>> on
>>> the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>
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