FWIW.... if you are in Charter Cable Territory..... you might consider joining FISPA...for their program..
Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable Connections across the Charter Territories. Along with Fiber & their new product "Ethernet over Coax"..... (virtual Ethernet connections ). Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: > I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just > make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at > least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. > Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you > around their TOS. > > But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way > less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. > > > Bob- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scottie Arnett > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM > To: motor...@afmug.com > Cc: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. > > Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how > many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE > connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business > class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of > using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I > can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little > over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they > will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get > blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. > > I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were > using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might > give an idea of the ratio that are using them. > > For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first > option. > > Here are the results so far: > > 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting > your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide > backbone. > > A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or > NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as AT&T, Qwest, Sprint, > etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you > can use your own. > 82.4% 28 > Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or > home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, > and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage > policies of your provider). > 2.9% 1 > Other (please specify) > 14.7% 5 > 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such > as > (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for > multi-residential use. > 2. Two separate Hosting Centers > 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and > UUNET > 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range > 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 > > > 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or > other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of > your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, > blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? > > 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our > management > including CALEA > 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has > 3-10 > first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. > We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just > take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for > redundancy from there). > > Thanks for participating guys. > > Scottie Arnett > > >> We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. >> >> We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate >> Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our >> rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. >> >> Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing >> bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which >> they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because >> essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell >> > anyways. > >> And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome >> facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public IP >> space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy. >> >> They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of >> Scottie Arnett >> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03 AM >> To: motor...@afmug.com >> Cc: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. >> >> I have made a quick survey on surveymonkey that collects data about >> your bandwidth sources. I will post the data collected in a week. It >> basically addresses if your primary connection to the Internet >> backbone is through a wholesale provider or if you are using a >> connection such as business or cable class DSL or cable for >> connection. All responses appreciated. >> >> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPWSC6J >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > WISPA Wants You! 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