Concrete doesn't stick... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: > I have zero issues with Time Warner in respect with reselling. I REFUSE to > resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if someone in > that area wants our service because the issue is they have been SHUTOFF by > another service provider for NON-PAYMENT! You fail, sorry, No service. > > I stick with that policy like concrete. > > Bob- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. > > FWIW.... if you are in Charter Cable Territory..... you might consider > joining FISPA...for their program.. > > Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable > Connections across the Charter Territories. > Along with Fiber & their new product "Ethernet over Coax"..... (virtual > Ethernet connections ). > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet& Telecom > > On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: >> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but >> just make sure you have written permission from their sales department >> or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the > access. >> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets >> you around their TOS. >> >> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access >> so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the > get go. >> >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett >> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM >> To: motor...@afmug.com >> Cc: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. >> >> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea >> of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to >> DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale >> their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the >> pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money >> wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around >> $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at >> the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 >> public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... > and how fast will outages be fixed. >> >> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that >> were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this >> survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. >> >> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the >> first option. >> >> Here are the results so far: >> >> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of >> transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to >> the nationwide backbone. >> >> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) >> or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as AT&T, >> Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of >> public addresses or you can use your own. >> 82.4% 28 >> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or >> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user >> account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to >> you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). >> 2.9% 1 >> Other (please specify) >> 14.7% 5 >> 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such >> as >> (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for >> multi-residential use. >> 2. Two separate Hosting Centers >> 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and >> UUNET >> 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range >> 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 >> >> >> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, >> or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or >> most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets >> banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? >> >> 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our >> management >> including CALEA >> 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has >> 3-10 >> first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per > Mbps. >> We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we >> just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP >> for redundancy from there). >> >> Thanks for participating guys. >> >> Scottie Arnett >> >> >>> We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. >>> >>> We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two >>> separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them >>> into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. >>> >>> Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing >>> bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which >>> they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because >>> essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell >>> >> anyways. >> >>> And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome >>> facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public >>> IP space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy. >>> >>> They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of >>> Scottie Arnett >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03 AM >>> To: motor...@afmug.com >>> Cc: wireless@wispa.org >>> Subject: [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. >>> >>> I have made a quick survey on surveymonkey that collects data about >>> your bandwidth sources. I will post the data collected in a week. It >>> basically addresses if your primary connection to the Internet >>> backbone is through a wholesale provider or if you are using a >>> connection such as business or cable class DSL or cable for >>> connection. All responses appreciated. >>> >>> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPWSC6J >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> ---- >> WISPA Wants You! 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