Actually, CoaxSeal sticks to anythign and everything :) On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: > Okay, Drywall Compound. That stuff sticks to ANYTHING! > > > Well, except to water. Which in the big scheme of things is pretty lame. > > Albert- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. > > Concrete doesn't stick... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> > wrote: >> I have zero issues with Time Warner in respect with reselling. I >> REFUSE to resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if >> someone in that area wants our service because the issue is they have >> been SHUTOFF by another service provider for NON-PAYMENT! You fail, > sorry, No service. >> >> I stick with that policy like concrete. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. >> >> FWIW.... if you are in Charter Cable Territory..... you might consider >> joining FISPA...for their program.. >> >> Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter >> Cable Connections across the Charter Territories. >> Along with Fiber & their new product "Ethernet over Coax"..... >> (virtual Ethernet connections ). >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet& Telecom >> >> On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: >>> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but >>> just make sure you have written permission from their sales >>> department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business >>> of reselling the >> access. >>> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets >>> you around their TOS. >>> >>> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access >>> so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from >>> the >> get go. >>> >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM >>> To: motor...@afmug.com >>> Cc: wireless@wispa.org >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. >>> >>> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea >>> of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to >>> DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale >>> their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing >>> the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money >>> wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around >>> $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at >>> the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 >>> public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... >> and how fast will outages be fixed. >>> >>> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists >>> that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought >>> this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. >>> >>> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the >>> first option. >>> >>> Here are the results so far: >>> >>> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of >>> transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to >>> the nationwide backbone. >>> >>> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides >>> T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as >>> AT&T, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C >>> of public addresses or you can use your own. >>> 82.4% 28 >>> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or >>> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user >>> account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to >>> you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). >>> 2.9% 1 >>> Other (please specify) >>> 14.7% 5 >>> 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service >>> such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant >>> for multi-residential use. >>> 2. Two separate Hosting Centers >>> 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and >>> UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. >>> Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 >>> >>> >>> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or >>> dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to >>> all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public >>> IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? >>> >>> 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our >>> management including CALEA 2. The two hosting centers are two >>> different companies and each has >>> 3-10 >>> first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 >>> per >> Mbps. >>> We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we >>> just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP >>> for redundancy from there). >>> >>> Thanks for participating guys. >>> >>> Scottie Arnett >>> >>> >>>> We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. >>>> >>>> We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two >>>> separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them >>>> into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. >>>> >>>> Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing >>>> bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth >>>> (which they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate >>>> because essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and >>>> can't sell >>>> >>> anyways. >>> >>>> And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome >>>> facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public >>>> IP space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy. >>>> >>>> They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Scottie Arnett >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03 AM >>>> To: motor...@afmug.com >>>> Cc: wireless@wispa.org >>>> Subject: [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. >>>> >>>> I have made a quick survey on surveymonkey that collects data about >>>> your bandwidth sources. I will post the data collected in a week. It >>>> basically addresses if your primary connection to the Internet >>>> backbone is through a wholesale provider or if you are using a >>>> connection such as business or cable class DSL or cable for >>>> connection. All responses appreciated. >>>> >>>> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPWSC6J >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - >>>> www.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - >>>> www.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> ------ >>> ---- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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