In areas where I already have 20mb line of sight sectors, yeah, no problem.
But lets face it, to handle video, ISPs are going to have to make network upgrades at every sector and CPE, sooner or later. Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu and NetFlix can continue to get rich? Even if I replace just the pre-existing customer CPE with a Ubiquiti, at $89/radio, that almost a year ROI to break even, IF I still charge the customer an additiaonl $9.95/month for their ability to use NetFlix and Hulu. Its sorta like fund raising. I got an idea... How about asking Hulu, NetFlix, and Google, to co-sign my Loan/Lease papers or better yet Lend me the money, to make the network upgrades that are necessary for my customers to use VIDEO adequately. I dont see them passing out Loan applications, nor do I see their CFO with a pen in hand. I am sick and tired of this attitude that "consumers are entitled" and "content providers are entitled". They are not entitled to a free ride. I am not getting rich, and the facts are the majority of my customers need me. I provide something to them that they need. And video wasn't one of them initially. I never signed up for delivering Video. I CAN deliver video, but they have to pay for it, if they want it. Its not my responsibilty to pay for it. There is nothing worse than a moocher. Thats all these content providers do, looking for a free ride, mooch mooch mooch, while they sneak off to the bank with their large paycheck. Sure... I'm perfectly fine with the bandwdith management method of control. Bandwdith limit video web sites to 64kbps, and for $9.95 I'll bump it up to 1mbps. As a disclaimer... I dont currently block or limit anything. I mostly serve high capacity business, so I have not been hit much by the video bandwdith abuse yet, so I have been able to overlook the issue, and have not had to take any action. And as long as it is not a problem, I have no need to address it. But one day it will be a problem. And EVERYONE should ask, "who should pay for it?". In some cases, maybe the ISP should pay for it. For example, If they are heathilly profitable, and have reach comfortable scale and finance abilty, and in a competitive environment, maybe it is then their responsibilty to stay competitive and upgrade at their own cost. But it can not be assumed that all ISPs are in that position nor that all consumers are in that position.. Whats important to me is that laws are not made that empower moochers to have the right to unlimited mooching, at the expense of honorable businessmen access providers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeromie Reeves" <jree...@18-30chat.net> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> wrote: > OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting. > > Redirect "hulu.com" to.... "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item. > > Alacart content? > > Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle > Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links > for > downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet > Providers. > > As long as its not discriminatory.... Make sure to include an Allow Item > for > EVERY Video Provider you can think of.... Example.... > > Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart. > 1. Enable Hulu $9.95 > 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95 > 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95 > 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95 (Note... would redirect to third party ISP > partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or > cached > data :-) > 5. Enable MYISP TV (Note: charge for access to your own Video services > that > you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this > site, > and so non-discriminary) > > Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider > sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content > is > not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required > directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees, > terms and conditions.. > > So..... > Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95 > more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider > charge > my subs the same? > > The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some > to > buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell > the content. > > The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are > allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge > more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us > honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing > to pay for content. > > If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a > revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-) > > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's > > >>Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? > > I don't think there are any laws on it at this point. It's like > ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept > policy for those that pay. > >>If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? > > Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor > <evdo.hs...@gmail.com> wrote: >> WAIT... >> >> Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? >> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger <pa...@hrec.coop> >> wrote: >>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are >>> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, >>> but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in >>> places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the >>> internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other >>> customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. >>> >>> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased >>> accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. >>> I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... >>> >>> -Paul >>> >>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers >>>> that are abusing the service. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify >>>> what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and >>>> you're >>>> delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks. >>>> If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the >>>> overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective >>>> deterrent >>>> all by itself. :) >>>> >>>> David Smith >>>> MVN.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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