Er, small clarification. Transport. Transit is straightforward once out of here (130 miles to carrier hotel).
Ryan > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:57 AM > To: '[email protected]'; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers > > Faisal- > > I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet > backwater. I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was > formed/used to engage in business with carriers. > > Any input is appreciated. > > Ryan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > > Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers > > > > Mike, > > Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in. > > > > FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as > > well.... I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held > > by > > other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have > the > > contract for. > > > > We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases > > getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases > out > > of Miami... > > > > If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta / > > Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be > > more > > than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best > > option. > > > > I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and > other > > Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well. > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > > > > > On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal. Most don't want > to > > > hear it and would rather keep crying. I've only found a couple > that > > > truly have limited options. > > > > > > ----- > > > Mike Hammett > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > > >> I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked > > together > > >> and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit > each > > >> other and their businesses. > > >> > > >> There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone. > > >> However there are a series of options to explore... > > >> > > >> Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local > > >> alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in "I want to get > > access > > >> @ this location " vs.. "@ Which location can you provide me with > > lowest > > >> cost access ?" ... > > >> > > >> Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there > > are > > >> 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a > > lot > > >> less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet > > Access... > > >> > > >> e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To > > purchase > > >> IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE > > THEIR > > >> MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase > IP > > >> Transit from a Competitive provider.. > > >> > > >> In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a > > "Fat > > >> Pipe" (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out > > >> Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than > to > > >> purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the > > folks > > >> who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit. > > >> > > >> Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less > > >> expensive...e.g 10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a > > GIGE is > > >> $1200....Unless you ask then explicitly... > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Faisal Imtiaz > > >> Snappy Internet& Telecom > > >> > > >> > > >> On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: > > >>> I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 > > meg. I > > >>> pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. > > >>> > > >>> On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > > >>>> Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over > > >>>> $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. > > >>>> Scott > > >>>> > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> *From:* Travis Johnson<mailto:[email protected]> > > >>>> *To:* WISPA General List<mailto:[email protected]> > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers > > >>>> > > >>>> I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 > > connection > > >>>> (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average > > $50/meg as > > >>>> my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated > > connections > > >>>> to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. > > >>>> > > >>>> Travis > > >>>> Microserv > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: > > >>>>> I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it > would > > work > > >>>>> in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are > agribusiness > > (i.e. > > >>>>> farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. > > My > > >>>>> biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So > > even a > > >>>>> statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not > apply > > to me. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Friendly Regards, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Mike > > >>>>> > > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ------------- > > >>>>> > > >>>>> *From:* [email protected] > > >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck > > Hogg > > >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM > > >>>>> *To:* WISPA General List > > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up > > everyday! > > >>>>> Regards, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Chuck > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis > Johnson<[email protected] > > >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. > > Bandwidth is > > >>>>> CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in > this > > >>>>> business... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, > > etc. a > > >>>>> cache > > >>>>> proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a > > business > > >>>>> connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional > > bandwidth it may > > >>>>> save me. And I can do this every day. :) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Travis > > >>>>> Microserv > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: > > >>>>> > On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> >> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the > > headaches > > >>>>> (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to > > be > > >>>>> cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a > > certain IP > > >>>>> address because ALL the traffic from your network is > coming > > from > > >>>>> the cache server IP, etc.). > > >>>>> > Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain > > sites. Just > > >>>>> create an ACL to deny caching them. 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