Sorry / forgot to say.. Total $ wise you are falling into the range where your savings are not necessarily going to be in form of a reduced monthly bill.. but more like you could get twice the amount of bandwidth for the same spending ...
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom On 9/3/2010 9:00 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > Pricing here is what I think is competitive. 100meg for 2800.00 but I am > looking for a second connection so it never hurts. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Faisal Imtiaz<[email protected]> wrote: > >> I would suggest some of the following as starting points... >> >> 1. See if your local power company has an affiliated fiber transport >> provider. >> >> 2. Check with local county / permitting department to see who if any >> took out right of way permits for Fiber installs. >> >> 3. Who is your local Cable Company ? Talk to them. >> >> 4... The MOST IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind is that .. You have to ask >> questions in a specific but direct manner... e.g. can u provide me with >> Fiber transport to the Cogent Location (Address XXXX) ? the answer may >> be yes, and in a few days they will tell you it will cost x$...and then >> you can ask the Question.. What would it cost for you to provide me with >> Fiber transport to Atlanta/Telx ... in a few days you get an answer of >> y$.... You may be surprised to find out that y$ is less than x$.... >> >> 5. See if there are any other ISP/WISP, in this 100 mile distance that >> are willing to work with you in a joint manner. >> >> 6. Last but not least... Who is your local Telco ? Some of the smaller >> LEC's are now warming up to selling Fat Pipe/ Transport to the Major >> Peering Points.. (e.g. most recently, a fellow ISP has negotiated Gig E >> transport from his small town to Atlanta/ Telx for a lot less than what >> it was costing him to get 100meg of Internet Transit from the same LEC !. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet& Telecom >> >> >> On 9/3/2010 8:33 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >>> Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from >>> me on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiaz<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the >>>> 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop >>>> trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by >>>> the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing >>>> things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates >>>> simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the >>>> agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are >>>> in alignment. >>>> >>>> In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the ISP, >>>> and they are billing the 'downstream' isp. >>>> >>>> e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of >>>> Atlanta.... and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP >>>> Transit out of Miami, etc... >>>> >>>> The key area of contentions are two .... >>>> >>>> 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and >>>> not going to dip out on the contract. >>>> >>>> 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each >>>> other and have a high level of Trust between each other. >>>> >>>> ----------- >>>> Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered' >>>> with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and >>>> leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each >>>> other's POP's... >>>> >>>> And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are >>>> building them out.... >>>> >>>> It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower >>>> when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is >>>> 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa. >>>> >>>> ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those >>>> tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local >>>> ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements / >>>> upgrade or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds >>>> of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far >>>> better business practice than the alternative. >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote: >>>>> Faisal- >>>>> >>>>> I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet >>>>> backwater. I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used >>>>> to engage in business with carriers. >>>>> >>>>> Any input is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike, >>>>>> Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in. >>>>>> >>>>>> FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as >>>>>> well.... I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held >>>>>> by >>>>>> other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the >>>>>> contract for. >>>>>> >>>>>> We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases >>>>>> getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out >>>>>> of Miami... >>>>>> >>>>>> If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta / >>>>>> Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be >>>>>> more >>>>>> than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best >>>>>> option. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other >>>>>> Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>>> I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal. Most don't want to >>>>>>> hear it and would rather keep crying. I've only found a couple that >>>>>>> truly have limited options. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>>>>>> I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked >>>>>> together >>>>>>>> and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each >>>>>>>> other and their businesses. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone. >>>>>>>> However there are a series of options to explore... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local >>>>>>>> alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in "I want to get >>>>>> access >>>>>>>> @ this location " vs.. "@ Which location can you provide me with >>>>>> lowest >>>>>>>> cost access ?" ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there >>>>>> are >>>>>>>> 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a >>>>>> lot >>>>>>>> less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet >>>>>> Access... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To >>>>>> purchase >>>>>>>> IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE >>>>>> THEIR >>>>>>>> MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP >>>>>>>> Transit from a Competitive provider.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a >>>>>> "Fat >>>>>>>> Pipe" (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out >>>>>>>> Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to >>>>>>>> purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the >>>>>> folks >>>>>>>> who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less >>>>>>>> expensive...e.g 10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a >>>>>> GIGE is >>>>>>>> $1200....Unless you ask then explicitly... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 >>>>>> meg. I >>>>>>>>> pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over >>>>>>>>>> $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. >>>>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Travis Johnson<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 >>>>>> connection >>>>>>>>>> (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average >>>>>> $50/meg as >>>>>>>>>> my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated >>>>>> connections >>>>>>>>>> to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would >>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>> in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness >>>>>> (i.e. >>>>>>>>>>> farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. >>>>>> My >>>>>>>>>>> biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So >>>>>> even a >>>>>>>>>>> statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply >>>>>> to me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Friendly Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ------------- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck >>>>>> Hogg >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up >>>>>> everyday! >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson<[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. >>>>>> Bandwidth is >>>>>>>>>>> CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this >>>>>>>>>>> business... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, >>>>>> etc. a >>>>>>>>>>> cache >>>>>>>>>>> proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a >>>>>> business >>>>>>>>>>> connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional >>>>>> bandwidth it may >>>>>>>>>>> save me. And I can do this every day. :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the >>>>>> headaches >>>>>>>>>>> (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to >>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a >>>>>> certain IP >>>>>>>>>>> address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming >>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> the cache server IP, etc.). >>>>>>>>>>>> Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain >>>>>> sites. Just >>>>>>>>>>> create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to >>>>>> maintain? >>>>>>>>>>> Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL >>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> only allows caching of sites you choose. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a >>>>>> single IP >>>>>>>>>>> then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid- >>>>>> cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). >>>>>>>>>>> With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as >>>>>> if the >>>>>>>>>>> requests were sourced directly from a client instead of >>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> Squid box. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using >>>>>> WCCP. 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