More for the same is just like a savings. Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry / forgot to say.. Total $ wise you are falling into the range > where your savings are not necessarily going to be in form of a reduced > monthly bill.. but more like you could get twice the amount of bandwidth > for the same spending ... > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > On 9/3/2010 9:00 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >> Pricing here is what I think is competitive. 100meg for 2800.00 but I am >> looking for a second connection so it never hurts. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Faisal Imtiaz<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I would suggest some of the following as starting points... >>> >>> 1. See if your local power company has an affiliated fiber transport >>> provider. >>> >>> 2. Check with local county / permitting department to see who if any >>> took out right of way permits for Fiber installs. >>> >>> 3. Who is your local Cable Company ? Talk to them. >>> >>> 4... The MOST IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind is that .. You have to ask >>> questions in a specific but direct manner... e.g. can u provide me with >>> Fiber transport to the Cogent Location (Address XXXX) ? the answer may >>> be yes, and in a few days they will tell you it will cost x$...and then >>> you can ask the Question.. What would it cost for you to provide me with >>> Fiber transport to Atlanta/Telx ... in a few days you get an answer of >>> y$.... You may be surprised to find out that y$ is less than x$.... >>> >>> 5. See if there are any other ISP/WISP, in this 100 mile distance that >>> are willing to work with you in a joint manner. >>> >>> 6. Last but not least... Who is your local Telco ? Some of the smaller >>> LEC's are now warming up to selling Fat Pipe/ Transport to the Major >>> Peering Points.. (e.g. most recently, a fellow ISP has negotiated Gig E >>> transport from his small town to Atlanta/ Telx for a lot less than what >>> it was costing him to get 100meg of Internet Transit from the same LEC !. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>> >>> >>> On 9/3/2010 8:33 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >>>> Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from >>>> me on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiaz<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the >>>>> 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop >>>>> trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by >>>>> the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing >>>>> things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates >>>>> simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the >>>>> agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are >>>>> in alignment. >>>>> >>>>> In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the ISP, >>>>> and they are billing the 'downstream' isp. >>>>> >>>>> e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of >>>>> Atlanta.... and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP >>>>> Transit out of Miami, etc... >>>>> >>>>> The key area of contentions are two .... >>>>> >>>>> 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and >>>>> not going to dip out on the contract. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each >>>>> other and have a high level of Trust between each other. >>>>> >>>>> ----------- >>>>> Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered' >>>>> with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and >>>>> leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each >>>>> other's POP's... >>>>> >>>>> And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are >>>>> building them out.... >>>>> >>>>> It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower >>>>> when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is >>>>> 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa. >>>>> >>>>> ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those >>>>> tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local >>>>> ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements / >>>>> upgrade or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds >>>>> of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far >>>>> better business practice than the alternative. >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote: >>>>>> Faisal- >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet >>>>>> backwater. I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used >>>>>> to engage in business with carriers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any input is appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>> Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as >>>>>>> well.... I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the >>>>>>> contract for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases >>>>>>> getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out >>>>>>> of Miami... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta / >>>>>>> Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best >>>>>>> option. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other >>>>>>> Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>>>> I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal. Most don't want to >>>>>>>> hear it and would rather keep crying. I've only found a couple that >>>>>>>> truly have limited options. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>>>>>>> I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked >>>>>>> together >>>>>>>>> and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each >>>>>>>>> other and their businesses. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone. >>>>>>>>> However there are a series of options to explore... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local >>>>>>>>> alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in "I want to get >>>>>>> access >>>>>>>>> @ this location " vs.. "@ Which location can you provide me with >>>>>>> lowest >>>>>>>>> cost access ?" ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a >>>>>>> lot >>>>>>>>> less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet >>>>>>> Access... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To >>>>>>> purchase >>>>>>>>> IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE >>>>>>> THEIR >>>>>>>>> MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP >>>>>>>>> Transit from a Competitive provider.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a >>>>>>> "Fat >>>>>>>>> Pipe" (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out >>>>>>>>> Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to >>>>>>>>> purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the >>>>>>> folks >>>>>>>>> who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less >>>>>>>>> expensive...e.g 10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a >>>>>>> GIGE is >>>>>>>>> $1200....Unless you ask then explicitly... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 >>>>>>> meg. I >>>>>>>>>> pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over >>>>>>>>>>> $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. >>>>>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Travis Johnson<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 >>>>>>> connection >>>>>>>>>>> (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average >>>>>>> $50/meg as >>>>>>>>>>> my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated >>>>>>> connections >>>>>>>>>>> to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would >>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>> in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness >>>>>>> (i.e. >>>>>>>>>>>> farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. >>>>>>> My >>>>>>>>>>>> biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So >>>>>>> even a >>>>>>>>>>>> statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply >>>>>>> to me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Friendly Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> ------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck >>>>>>> Hogg >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up >>>>>>> everyday! >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson<[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. >>>>>>> Bandwidth is >>>>>>>>>>>> CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this >>>>>>>>>>>> business... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, >>>>>>> etc. a >>>>>>>>>>>> cache >>>>>>>>>>>> proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a >>>>>>> business >>>>>>>>>>>> connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional >>>>>>> bandwidth it may >>>>>>>>>>>> save me. And I can do this every day. :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the >>>>>>> headaches >>>>>>>>>>>> (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a >>>>>>> certain IP >>>>>>>>>>>> address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming >>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>> the cache server IP, etc.). >>>>>>>>>>>>> Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain >>>>>>> sites. Just >>>>>>>>>>>> create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to >>>>>>> maintain? >>>>>>>>>>>> Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL >>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> only allows caching of sites you choose. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a >>>>>>> single IP >>>>>>>>>>>> then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid- >>>>>>> cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). >>>>>>>>>>>> With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as >>>>>>> if the >>>>>>>>>>>> requests were sourced directly from a client instead of >>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> Squid box. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using >>>>>>> WCCP. If >>>>>>>>>>>> your Squid box dies the router automatically stops >>>>>>> redirecting >>>>>>>>>>>> the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web >>>>>>> normally. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blake Covarrubias >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> ------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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