At 9/17/2010 09:36 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
That is the way my network is setup using a cisco router at the core. No problems that I am aware of.

Glad to hear it's working. My plan is to put a router at the core and run layer 2 beyond. How flexible is RouterOS for setting up lots of VLANs? I'm thinking of using HWMP+ to automatically create paths ("route", but not in the IP layer) them across the network ("mesh", in the literal topological sense). Thanks...

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On Sep 17, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Fred Goldstein <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:

At 9/17/2010 08:52 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
I would have to agree...you could switch to all UBNT, but whose to say they will handle a large bridging network any better? I think before making any kind hardware change, you need to convert the network into a routed environment to control traffic.

In between bridging and routing, there's switching. This uses VLAN tags or their equivalent (DLCIs, etc.) to identify streams, rather than MAC addresses as in bridging. Switching doesn't propagate broadcasts the way bridging wants to. It's simpler than MPLS, since Cisco didn't develop it ;-) , but does allow the assignment of CIR. The fiber world is doing a lot of Carrier Ethernet switching. The small WISP-oriented routers could too, though I don't know how good the support is yet. They may not have caught on to it. Has anyone tried it on RouterOS or similar OSs?

On 09/17/2010 08:39 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
If it’s all bridged then ARP tables fill up, memory runs low, and all kinds of things happen. I know Forbes has mentioned a bridged network on here before. I would put your money into routing the network and then get rid of the mikrotiks if they are still problems after the routing is done. You will be amazed at how much a routed network will improve the quality of the network. There are other things he could try to hunt down, but until all that bridging is stopped it will be an uphill battle.

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From: Forbes Mercy < <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> Reply-To: WISPA General List <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:27:25 -0700
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

How my day ended, I really don't mean to slight Mikrotik or it's dealers. People who route their networks will have a fraction of the problems I have but I have to admit the excuse of "must be your employees" or " that never happens" got old about 20 outages ago. Today I had 8 major outages, 4 of them we found a bridge or ports erased and the IP displaying 0.0.0.0. This was an easy fix, log in and add the bridge and ports then click on the IP and it came back legitimate again. Shame we had to make the trip to the towers to do that. The other 4 not so easy, they showed the IP correctly but not in Winbox and they had the MAC address as 00.00.00.00.00, well 12 times, you get it. Those we had to pull the backhaul and reset it then reprogram it. A hellish day but we didn't miss the fact that the UBNT units never crashed no matter what this crazy bridging issue was. It was just a real bad day to be in this business but I appreciate the help that I got from Mikrotik dealers who really care to help resolve this but are as equally frustrated as I was, while aging about 3 years in one day. Like watching a baby sleep the night is uneventful after a 15 hour work day and my with my added worry about taking 4 vacation days this weekend. I wish I could trust the equipment from overreacting to every damn bit of unfriendly traffic by shutting down the LAN port or resetting the radio but I can't, it's my employees problem now but it will certainly take away from the joy of my time off since I know their attitude is more like, 'let them wait' then my feeling of 'people down is lost income', employees....

 Forbes

 On 9/16/2010 7:44 PM, RickG wrote:
For me, the StarOS/WRAP combo performed very well since 2004. The only issues I had were coax related. Otherwise, I agree, I dont like equipment you have to put together. I save my tinkering around for personal stuff but much rather have a fully designed radio for commercial purposes.


On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:

There's something to be said for "losing faith" in a technology.  For me,
it's the "build-it-yourself" radios. All of them. Mikrotik & StarOS. For
 me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in
 redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee
 something's going to malfunction.

Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the "leap of faith" and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of
 the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer.


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