gotcha using kvm here - but interesting.

Heck - i have opennms running in openvz and see none of those - so must be a 
zimbra deal. 

I am fighting some vmware issues now sadly - ready to pull the few hairs i have 
left out.
Wishing this was proxmox  ... 

resource issues - and resource pools not being followed ... 
fun 


On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> Java sees the memory of the entire host vs. just the container.  There is a 
> myriad of config file changes to make it work, but I don't want to run a 
> severely molested config.  It's just that much harder to troubleshoot when 
> things are wrong.  It is a known issue between Java and OpenVZ, just no one 
> seems able and willing to fix it.
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> On 12/15/2010 2:26 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>> 
>> I have a zimbra setup and it runs just fine... 
>> not sure what you are seeing - but interesting to know... 
>> 
>> and yes - that short rope I think you are right.
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> 
>>> The problem is that ProxMox has nowhere near the enterprise class feature 
>>> set of VMWare.
>>> 
>>> Also, both KVM and OpenVZ have incompatibilities with certain Java 
>>> applications.  Zimbra, for instance, on OpenVZ it has a memory bug and on 
>>> KVM it has a CPU usage bug.
>>> 
>>> Personally, anyone who codes an email server in Java needs to meet the 
>>> short end of a long rope.
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/2010 2:08 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances.
>>>> In others I absolutely love it. 
>>>> 
>>>> Check out the opensource project called ProxMox. 
>>>> 
>>>> It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has tons 
>>>> and tons of template machines (including the ability to use any VMWare 
>>>> one. 
>>>> http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve
>>>> 
>>>> We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox 
>>>> AntiSpam and others - well worth the testing 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 
>>>>> 300k of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the 
>>>>> storage is simply virtual machines.
>>>>>  
>>>>> EUREKA!
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
>>>>>  
>>>>> That's for premier.  You want partner, like an ISP.  Someone said like a 
>>>>> dollar forty?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>>>>> > On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per 
>>>>> > year
>>>>> > (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to 
>>>>> > me.
>>>>> > People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of 
>>>>> > stuff at
>>>>> > less than $1/month/sub.
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Cameron
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt <lm7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > 
>>>>> >> > Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. 
>>>>> >> > Dell
>>>>> >> > support has been fantastic too.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I think Redhat uses KVM?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to
>>>>> >> VMware?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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