If it were me, I would check that LMR and all that other garbage.  Use the
ARC 23dbi panel/enclosures.  You'll lose 10dbi (less because of LMR400,
connectors, pigtails, N connectors) but you'll have less to worry about when
ice gets on the antenna (IME last week - none).

Everything is enclosed and pretty and the mounting is easier then the grids
and those stupid U bolts.

Every time I've tried to swap a radio, or a board, or an antenna, or
lmr400...it was a waste of time and money.  Scrap the entire thing and do
everything in one clean swoop.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Data Technology <[email protected]> wrote:

> After posting I recalculated what the signal strength should be and it
> turns out to be mid 50's.
> So I guess there is defiantly wrong in the rf system some where.
>
>
> On 2/14/2011 12:00 PM, Data Technology wrote:
> > Sorry for the long post but I need some suggestions here guys.
> >
> > Customer has a 7.3 mile 5ghz link.
> > MT 433AH on one end and MT 411AH on the other.
> >     Version 4.16 on both units.
> >     Both units have MT R52Hn cards.
> > 28 db grids on both ends with 6-10ft lmr400 jumper.
> >
> > Signal strength is  -65 to -65 on one end and -66 to -67 on the other.
> > CCQ is 98 to 100%
> >
> > Configured as bridge wds on one end and station wds on the other.
> >
> >
> > This customer is a school and when they came back from Christmas break
> > the link was down.
> > This is in a rural area and no other 5 ghz systems show up in a scan so
> > it is a 50/50 shot at the one that is bad.
> > We changed the card in one unit and that was not it so we changed the
> > card in the other unit and the link came back up.
> > It was not working 100% and would go down and up but the signal looked
> > ok.  It was at -70 at the time.
> > The only way I could get it to stay up was to change to a 5meg bandwidth.
> >
> > The link finally stabilized with the 5 meg channel.
> > This would have to do until we could go back and check cables and
> > connections.
> >
> > Well it has worked ok for the most part since then but we have noticed
> > that when it rains
> > the link starts dropping out again even though the signal stays good
> > when it is connected.
> >
> > Sounds like water in a connection so I went yesterday to check some
> > connections and they look good.
> > Had electrical tape, mastic, and electrical tape.  I actually cut open
> > one just to inspect and was dry.
> > I know it only takes one connection to cause a problem but visual
> > inspection of all connections looked ok.
> > Next trip we will have new cables and new antenna.
> >
> > After I finished messing around with the first unit the link started
> > going down and up.
> > The strange thing about this is that when it is up the signal is a solid.
> > About every 60 seconds the link would drop out and come right back up.
> > It did this for about an hour and finally stabilized.  Sounds like
> > interference.
> >
> > Here are a few lines from both logfiles.
> >
> > 05:28:53 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive
> > data loss
> > 05:29:00 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS
> > 05:30:01 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive
> > data loss
> > 05:30:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS
> > 05:31:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive
> > data loss
> > 05:31:19 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS
> > 05:32:20 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive
> > data loss
> > 05:32:28 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS
> > 05:33:29 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive
> > data loss
> > 05:33:37 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS
> >
> >
> > feb/13 16:14:51 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection,
> > not polled for too long
> > feb/13 16:14:58 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established
> > connection on 5200, SSID Hillview
> > feb/13 16:16:01 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection,
> > not polled for too long
> > feb/13 16:16:08 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established
> > connection on 5200, SSID Hillview
> > feb/13 16:17:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection,
> > not polled for too long
> > feb/13 16:17:17 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established
> > connection on 5200, SSID Hillview
> > feb/13 16:18:19 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection,
> > not polled for too long
> > feb/13 16:18:26 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established
> > connection on 5200, SSID Hillview
> > feb/13 16:19:28 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection,
> > not polled for too long
> > feb/13 16:19:35 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established
> > connection on 5200, SSID Hillview
> >
> >
> > My Conclustions are possibly 2 problems.
> >
> > 1.  Water somewhere ?
> >          I will have to check each connection and or replace jumper cable
> > and possibly antenna.
> >        Has anyone seen the grid element go bad and leak?
> >
> > 2.  Interference ?
> >        Maybe need spectrum analyzer to check things out.
> >        What is the timing of a radar signal sweep?
> >
> > Also, one tower has a lot of slack in the guy wires and it was moving a
> > lot more than I liked in the wind yesterday.
> > I think that might be a problem but I don't think it would cause it to
> > drop every 60 seconds.
> >
> >
> > If you made it this far, thank for reading.
> >
> > LaRoy McCann
> > Data Technology
> > Trumann, AR
> >
> >
> >
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