In the 2500.00 range. Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:27 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <[email protected]> wrote: > I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs. > > The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremie Chism" <[email protected]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update > > >> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. >> It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but >> will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money >> because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. >>> >>> No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain >>> to >>> match the effort and cost. >>> >>> The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on >>> typical >>> style WISP gear. >>> But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate >>> and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? >>> >>> Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed >>> capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is >>> considered outdated to the dark ages. >>> >>> In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it >>> performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% >>> degregation. >>> >>> Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's >>> performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. >>> >>> The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can >>> accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for >>> real world competitive and technical challenges. >>> >>> A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and >>> always >>> be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is >>> happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for >>> one >>> polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run >>> both >>> chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the >>> overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% >>> increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world >>> deployments >>> closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. >>> Why aren't they being developed? >>> >>> Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for >>> unlciensed to be competitive? >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]>; "WISPA General List" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update >>> >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> very well said.. to the point !... >>>> Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and >>>> irrelevant. ! >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> "The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans >>>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to >>>> remain >>>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade >>>> and >>>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will >>>> also >>>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to >>>> show >>>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings." >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>> Miami, Fl 33155 >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: >>>>> I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air >>>>> interface >>>>> to >>>>> deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that >>>>> needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most >>>>> are >>>>> bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain >>>>> competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true >>>>> Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot >>>>> over >>>>> all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player >>>>> in >>>>> the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are >>>>> doing >>>>> and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. >>>>> Fortunately >>>>> it >>>>> seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or >>>>> exceeded >>>>> other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business >>>>> plans >>>>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to >>>>> remain >>>>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade >>>>> and >>>>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will >>>>> also >>>>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to >>>>> show >>>>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. >>>>> >>>>> Thank You, >>>>> Brian Webster >>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Charles Wu >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM >>>>> To: [email protected]; WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update >>>>> >>>>> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is >>>>> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range >>>>> >>>>> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come >>>>> so >>>>> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing >>>>> it >>>>> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it >>>>> this >>>>> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low >>>>> power >>>>> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a >>>>> tower) >>>>> >>>>> -Charles >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM >>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update >>>>> >>>>> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps >>>>> down >>>>> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. >>>>> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or >>>>> download >>>>> a >>>>> big file via FTP or whatever. >>>>> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. >>>>> >>>>> ~V~ >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Charles Wu >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update >>>>> >>>>> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm....3 bars, laptop connected to >>>>> wireless >>>>> router on phone >>>>> >>>>> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole >>>>> sector >>>>> all >>>>> >>>>> to yourself. >>>>> >>>>> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, >>>>> without >>>>> the big antenna outside. >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL& Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Charles Wu"<[email protected]> >>>>> To:<[email protected]>; "WISPA >>>>> GeneralList"<[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW >>>>>> >>>>>> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one >>>>>> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, >>>>>> then the customer upload). >>>>>> >>>>>> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you >>>>>> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you >>>>>> use >>>>>> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is >>>>>> totally different ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network >>>>>> interface when the test is running... >>>>>> >>>>>>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla& Speedtest.net test >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test >>>>>>> algorithms. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: >>>>>>>> Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> Speedtest.Net to my handset >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Charles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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