The Ericsson APs that Verizon uses cost ~$50k / tower plus antennas and cable
-Charles -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs. The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremie Chism" <[email protected]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update >I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. >It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but >will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money >because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. >> >> No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain >> to >> match the effort and cost. >> >> The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on >> typical >> style WISP gear. >> But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate >> and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? >> >> Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed >> capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is >> considered outdated to the dark ages. >> >> In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it >> performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% >> degregation. >> >> Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's >> performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. >> >> The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can >> accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for >> real world competitive and technical challenges. >> >> A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and >> always >> be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is >> happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for >> one >> polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run >> both >> chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the >> overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% >> increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world >> deployments >> closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. >> Why aren't they being developed? >> >> Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for >> unlciensed to be competitive? >> >> >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]>; "WISPA General List" >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update >> >> >>> +1 >>> >>> very well said.. to the point !... >>> Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and >>> irrelevant. ! >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> "The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans >>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to >>> remain >>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade >>> and >>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will >>> also >>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to >>> show >>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings." >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, Fl 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: >>>> I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air >>>> interface >>>> to >>>> deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that >>>> needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most >>>> are >>>> bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain >>>> competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true >>>> Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot >>>> over >>>> all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player >>>> in >>>> the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are >>>> doing >>>> and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. >>>> Fortunately >>>> it >>>> seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or >>>> exceeded >>>> other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business >>>> plans >>>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to >>>> remain >>>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade >>>> and >>>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will >>>> also >>>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to >>>> show >>>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. >>>> >>>> Thank You, >>>> Brian Webster >>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Charles Wu >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM >>>> To: [email protected]; WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update >>>> >>>> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is >>>> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range >>>> >>>> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come >>>> so >>>> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing >>>> it >>>> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it >>>> this >>>> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low >>>> power >>>> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a >>>> tower) >>>> >>>> -Charles >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband >>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update >>>> >>>> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps >>>> down >>>> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. >>>> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or >>>> download >>>> a >>>> big file via FTP or whatever. >>>> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. >>>> >>>> ~V~ >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Charles Wu >>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update >>>> >>>> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm....3 bars, laptop connected to >>>> wireless >>>> router on phone >>>> >>>> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW >>>> >>>> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole >>>> sector >>>> all >>>> >>>> to yourself. >>>> >>>> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, >>>> without >>>> the big antenna outside. >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL& Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Charles Wu"<[email protected]> >>>> To:<[email protected]>; "WISPA >>>> GeneralList"<[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW >>>> >>>> >>>>> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW >>>>> >>>>> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one >>>>> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, >>>>> then the customer upload). >>>>> >>>>> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you >>>>> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you >>>>> use >>>>> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is >>>>> totally different ;) >>>>> >>>>> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network >>>>> interface when the test is running... >>>>> >>>>>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla& Speedtest.net test >>>>>> are >>>>>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test >>>>>> algorithms. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: >>>>>>> Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> Speedtest.Net to my handset >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Charles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ---- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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