I meant vs. the traditional WISP fixed CPE with a (relatively) high installation height vs. a squad car, fire truck, etc.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Leary" <patrick.le...@alvarion.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 8:52:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! With modern gear such as our 2x2 Extreme, creating PMP coverage has never been better for both NLOS challenges and certainly makes LOS connections easier than ever, wouldn't you say? Not sure you mean by "not the LOS advantage of normal installs." What in 4.9 disadvantages LOS connections? Patrick Leary Alvarion m: 727.501.3735 -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! Correct, I was speaking about backhaul. I've questioned the usability of 4.9 GHz for PtMP because you have the propagation disadvantages of 5 GHz, but not the LOS advantage of normal installs. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Leary" <patrick.le...@alvarion.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 7:23:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! If you are speaking about backhaul, I might tend to agree Mike. But if PMP, which is what 4.9GHz is primarily for (PTP is literally considered a secondary service in 4.9 is only supposedly approved for temp service), then 4.9 GHz is the only option for high capacity PMP for public safety outside of using public bands like 5 GHz. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:19 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I have a client that is eligible for 4.9 GHz (already have the license), but the cost\benefit ratio goes to licensed gear over 4.9 GHz. The price isn't much different, but hte throughput is vastly different and you get real protection. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappydsl.net> To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:52:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! Hi Patrick, Let me also chime in.... Yes, UBNT has been a market disruptor, and Yes, while they have a good product, it is not necessarily a 'Fit' for all. Which brings me to the question that I have been wondering all day today, since I read your Alvarion Promo / Post. Can I ask you to list us how the BreezeULTRA would differ from UBNT Airmax Products. 4.9Ghz is nice, but for most of us it is useless... unless for those who are doing consulting work for Local / City Gov. May be they will consider using 4.9 rather than 5.x simply because the 5.x gear is cheaper. Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/1/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. > Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right > and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things > from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's > what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general. > > Patrick Leary > m: 727.501.3735 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! > > *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! > > That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market... > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Patrick Leary > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! > > I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. > Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity > and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but > its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold > globally. > > Patrick Leary > m: 727.501.3735 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Gino Villarini > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! > > I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide > market, 2.4 ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the > challenge is to SCALE as you say... that is something that UBNT > achieved using wifi chipsets. The way I see its is that you might > need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier aggregation WITH > either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar > > Gino A. Villarini > g...@aeronetpr.com > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > 787.273.4143 > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Patrick Leary > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! > > That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges: > > 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the > ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done > with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 > GHz. > > 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B > cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A > Y down. > > Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if > I leave out "radio") hitting the market for our space, the latest being our > 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I > remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time > and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of > FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go > into base stations. > > It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure. > > Patrick Leary > Alvarion > m: 727.501.3735 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> > To: a...@afmug.com, "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" > <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! > > > > > > > > I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is > being developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation > can use various spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… > > > > Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and > aggregate all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could > split the downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some > special sauce to organize Spectrum availability and Identify external > interference.. but all that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud > controller… > > > > So whos the taker? > > > > Gino A. 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