Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:59:21 -0800 

+1
Nothing in life is perfect. Every Vendor has their Strengths and weaknesses, as a Service Provider we try to leverage the Strengths and work around the weaknesses. 


It is the flexibility that makes us 'nimble', otherwise we become like 
the Telco's , their flexibility is greatly dependent on their systems 
and gear they use.



Granted, no Mfg. is perfect, and no Mfg,  has a products that does 
everything good.



While it is easier to 'bitch and complain', a little bit harder to 
realize that :-



RouterBoards, are hardware devices, you can develop and run your own OS 
on it if you like ..
Mikrotik is a Routing OS, not a piece of hardware, and may I say, it is 
a Routing OS.. not a SWITCHING OS.
Ubiquity AirMax are radios with a  Linux Core... U want to modify / add 
capabilities, feel free to down load the SDK and mod / add what you need.



It is always good for the industry when other Mfg. start making 
competing products, that is a sign of an industry that is growing and in 
good health.



Enjoy your favorite routers and pet peeves, I am glad to see folks on 
both sides, of the equation, cause that is what makes the industry move 
forward and we call that Progress !


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: [email protected]

On 1/9/2013 11:26 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:

(this is not a reply to Brad, just couldn't find the head of the 
thread on this one)



It was more than just the capacitor issue with MT, there were the 
noisy 532s which would interfere with two way radios as well at 
roughly the same time, there is the version crapshoot whenever a new 
release is made.  I usually have to troll through the forums to find 
the concensus on what firmware to be running for wireless and what 
firmware to be running for wired.



This is not to say that UBNT doesn't have issues, still fresh in 
everyone's mind is the toughcable debaucle, and it seems that new 
firmwares do have issues from time to time.  But it seems, to me at 
least, that UBNT is more than willing to own up to their mistakes, 
take their lumps and do the right thing with in reason.  Their return 
policy is pretty liberal and I can only imagine how much they've spent 
shipping new toughcable.  I know it doesn't cover the cost of 
installation, but it is a far cry from the response we received from 
smartbridge or highgain and their products.



I have to admit I've never tried to RMA a routerboard, but I never got 
the impression I would have much luck.  MT rarely acknowledges bugs or 
defects in their product and has actively removed threads in their 
forum about legitimate bugs.



But the thing that gets me is how much people bitch about QA on a $70 
radio or a $500 core router and then in the same message bitch about 
slow releases and cry for new cutting edge features.  If you want to 
run tested and true routers or radios then get Cambium, Alvarion, 
Cisco or Juniper.  Too spendy?  Not enough new features? Wonder why?



There is a cost for cheaper cost and faster release cycles.  Is it 
frustrating, hell yes, but I accepted that frustration when I decided 
to go with their products.  I can only imagine what sort of regression 
testing has to occur on each new feature that goes in routeros and 
wireless can be set up in so many different ways and with so many 
different environmental variables that trying to account for all 
conditions and configurations would be a daunting task.


On 01/09/2013 07:44 AM, Brad Belton wrote:



Agreed. A carpenter once told me that some tools require more skill 
than other tools to use properly and get the desired results.  This 
isn't meant as a jab towards anyone, but I feel is an honest truth.  
I know there are several tools in my bag that I wish I was more 
skilled with...MikroTik included.



The RouterBoard capacitor issue was a pain, but I believe they 
determined it was a counterfeiting issue and not a design problem.  
They received a large batch of capacitors that were not up to the 
specifications they should have been. As compared to many wireless 
operators here we don't deploy a bunch of these boards, so I can 
appreciate the heartache some must be going through as these boards 
with bad capacitors fail slowly over time.



BTW, I think if you look at the board you can visually tell if it has 
counterfeit capacitors or not.  Pretty sure the green colored caps 
are the bad ones and the brown ones are good.


Best,

Brad


*From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
*On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:16 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router


All I can say is that we have been running MK sinsce 2.x, some quirks 
along the way.  But we are happy with it,  No way we could have grown 
our company to this level on Cisco or Juniper since we rely heavy on 
VPLS and Mikrotik has allowed us to use it economically


Gino A. Villarini

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143


*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes

*Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM
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*Cc:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router


Each has their place....and MT has no place anywhere until they can 
prove that they can write reliable firmware and offer friendly support.


MikroTik - Latvian for ..... Oh I can't go there.


Sent from my iPad



On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:15, Blair Davis <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


    I'd like to know as well.

    We have been using MT since 2.3.

    Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out..

    Each has their place.

    --

    On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

        I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't
        honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features
        are better in Mikrotik.  Price doesn't have a huge gap
        between them.

        Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when
        they haven't even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta
        unit or something, which is probably not the same product
        that you'd buy from a distributor.


        Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my
        Mikrotik?  Now what's the answer...


        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340
        Direct: 937-552-2343
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373

        On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes
        <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many
        of us have had them in heavy production without issue for
        months.

        Sent from my iPad


        On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman
        <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the
            corner.  Get your 9 mo uptime.

            Josh Luthman
            Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
            Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
            1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
            Troy, OH 45373

            On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"
            <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Do you have anything to base that on?

            I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without
            missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+
            months ago.

            Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan
            on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I
            think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first
            generation in production.



            -----
            Mike Hammett
            Intelligent Computing Solutions
            http://www.ics-il.com

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>>
            To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>>
            Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
            Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



            I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be
            less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad)
            and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit?


            Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.


            Josh Luthman
            Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
            Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
            1100 Wayne St
            Suite 1337
            Troy, OH 45373


            On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett <
            [email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:


            That's an awfully bold statement. How come?



            -----
            Mike Hammett
            Intelligent Computing Solutions
            http://www.ics-il.com



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            From: "Christian Palecek" < [email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]> >
            To: "WISPA General List" < [email protected]
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            Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM
            Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

            I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.

            Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone

            Jon Auer < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

            >Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back
            when it was announced.
            >Mine hasn't arrived yet :-(
            >On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, "Steve Barnes" <
            [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
            >
            >> That's the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware
            that they have
            >> actually shipped to general public yet. ****
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            >> ** **
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            >> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well.
            Time will tell.****
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            >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM
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            >> Anyone have any experience with this router?****
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