So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy?
Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary <[email protected]> wrote: > I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous > ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have > North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not > WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, > indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason > why we are doing the sector versions. > > The specs on the dual band sector are: > 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV > 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV > > Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC > requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: > 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm > 5 GHz: 49 dBm > > Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of > range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my > engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from > his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am > not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be > safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that > should help the range too. > > Patrick Leary > Alvarion > 727.501.3735 > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > Patrick, > Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g > version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate > (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 > radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: > > WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna > elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. > WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with > each band 3x3. > WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 > diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. > > Yes John, we have client devices, among them: > Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form > factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It > is a really effective little box. > There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. > There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. > > I have to check as there may be others. > > Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate. > > They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all > the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This > helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have several > other patented interference mitigation techniques. > > Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 > series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) > boxes and feel like tanks. > > Patrick Leary > Alvarion > 727.501.3735 > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM > To: [email protected]; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying > wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The > most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance > issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only not N. > Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual > mimo on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use something > called beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables it to penetrate or > go around obstacles more efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually > hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The new ones they have > are BGN and can dual band(2.4 & 5.8) and supposedly can handle double the > amount of clients. And another plus is the few times we have had issues all > ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it and they are good > about troubleshooting with you. If u have specific questions I didn't answer > let me know. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > John Scrivner <[email protected]> wrote: > > Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers on an AP? Is it omni > or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP and client devices? Longest customer link? > Latency results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only use plain > vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant (like UBNT AirMAX or Proxim WARP > or old Karlnet stuff)? Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How many > deployments? Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to hearing > about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do when I saw them at a show but > I am always hesitant to believe anything that is pure Wifi can be a real > outdoor delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results about this > device. > Thank you, > Scriv > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves <[email protected]> wrote: > We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They can b a little > pricey though. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > > Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. > > Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP (LTE?), but I'd > consider it to be at the new bar for average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are > generally too low of throughput to be useful. > > I don't think anyone has really enough of a differentiator in the WiFi space > to not use UBNT or Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. Mikrotik has > their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. > > Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing their own thing. It > looks really good if only the APs were 90% less expensive. > > 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to be considered. I have > areas where I could put something multiples higher to use. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Jenkins" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:36:26 PM > Subject: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi products, is anyone > successfully deploying something else to service both residential and > business customers? > > Thanks, > > - Matt > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses(100). > ************************************************************************************ > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses(42). > ************************************************************************************ > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses(42). > ************************************************************************************ > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses(100). > ************************************************************************************ > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses(42). > ************************************************************************************ > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses(42). > ************************************************************************************ > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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