That should be interesting...
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote: > I agree > > FWIW, I'm working on a comparison chart of AF5 vs BS-160 right now :P > > > Josh Reynolds, CIO > SPITwSPOTS > www.spitwspots.com > On 08/05/2014 01:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > *nods* I beat on my vendors regularly for support of such things. ;-) > > We're likely to get much further doing this sort of thing than whatever we > get at the FCC. > > Cost effective platforms + advanced antenna\radio technologies are going > to be the winner. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Patrick Leary" <patrick.le...@telrad.com> > <patrick.le...@telrad.com> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> > *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:53:22 PM > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released > > Congratulation Jaime. The B5 products look to be excellent, and it is > good to see WISPA discussions about advanced techniques like 4x MIMO > spatial multiplexing and MU-MIMO. Too often the focus is more spectrum, not > about how to leverage technology to use much more efficiently what spectrum > there is. > > > > For definition purposes: > > > > MU-MIMO (multiuse MIMO) sends multiple streams to different customers in > the same band simultaneously. It doubles capacity using the same channel > size and there's not downside compared with the capacity gain. > > > > You want it, especially where your spectrum is busy. > > > > > > *Patrick Leary* > > *M* 727.501.3735 > > <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet> > > > > > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Fink > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:34 PM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released > > > > Josh, > > > > TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size > with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile > preferences. > > > > You can’t really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic > products if it’s not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC > advised, so there’s not really an easy mode. > > > > I can’t comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO > and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to > pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the > best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. > > > > Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no > longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move > into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional > multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. > > > > Jaime > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote: > > > > Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back > for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the "easy > method" it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very > valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density > solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the > connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to > helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). > > What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP > backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for > PtMP? > > Josh Reynolds, CIO > SPITwSPOTS > www.spitwspots.com > > On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: > > +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas > good ideas do take time. > > > > The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change > channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited > driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the > change. > > > > This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as > well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to > settle now. > > > > Jaime > > > > On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote: > > > > Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I > brainstormed about in July :) > > http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 > > Josh Reynolds, CIO > SPITwSPOTS > www.spitwspots.com > > On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under > wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't > figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. > > > > At least it worked for one person =P > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote: > > You're... out of the loop. > > > Josh Reynolds, CIO > SPITwSPOTS > www.spitwspots.com > > On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > > The PtMP. > > > > > > Matt Hoppes > > Director of Information Technology > > Indigo Wireless > > +1 (570) 723-7312 <%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> > > > > On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> What are you "what"ing? > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com> > >> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM > >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released > >> > >> Wait... whut? > >> > >> > >> Matt Hoppes > >> Director of Information Technology > >> Indigo Wireless > >> +1 (570) 723-7312 <%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> > >> > >> On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > >>> Jamie, > >>> > >>> We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP > ;) > >>> > >>> Josh Reynolds, CIO > >>> SPITwSPOTS > >>> www.spitwspots.com > >>> > >>> On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: > >>>> 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the > >>>> integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, > >>>> worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max > >> performance. > >>>> That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up > >>>> of course in different channels, and channel widths. > >>>> > >>>> We're finishing off a "colocation planner" in our cloud tools that > >>>> automates those answers for you based on your radio location link > >>>> plans, coming soon! > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Jaime > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net > >>>> <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Thanks a bunch! > >>>>> > >>>>> So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that > >>>>> just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? > >>>>> > >>>>> Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so > >>>>> what's the minimum isolation? > >>>>> > >>>>> If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 > >>>>> radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have > >>>>> towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in > >>>>> other directions. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how > >>>>> hard is that number. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> Mike Hammett > >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>> *From: *"Jaime Fink" <ja...@mimosa.co <mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>> > >>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > >>>>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM > >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike, > >>>>> > >>>>> Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation > >>>>> capacities for the group. > >>>>> > >>>>> For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate > >>>>> directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same > >>>>> channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages > >>>>> integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. > >>>>> > >>>>> As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture > >>>>> efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out > >>>>> there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that > >>>>> performance. > >>>>> > >>>>> No magic pixie dust, just great technology. > >>>>> > >>>>> Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I > >>>>> absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for > >>>>> PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple > >>>>> clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with > >>>>> our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve > >>>>> announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of > >>>>> compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* > >>>>> 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co > >>>>> <http://www.mimosa.co> > >>>>> > >>>>> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the > >>>>> sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution > >>>>> or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the > >>>>> intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), > >>>>> please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of > >>>>> this message. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net > >>>>> <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> >From a TechCrunch article: > >>>>> > >>>>> The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses > >>>>> multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide > >>>>> up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are > >>>>> using the same channel. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, > >>>>> that's pretty amazing. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> Mike Hammett > >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >>>>> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>> *From: *"Fred Goldstein" <fgoldst...@ionary.com > >>>>> <mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> > >>>>> *To: *wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM > >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released > >>>>> > >>>>> On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that > was > >>>>> my thought also.. > >>>>> I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I > >>>>> can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data > center. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new > >>>>> radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any of > >>>>> these U-NII radios essentially transmits based on demand. If > >>>>> traffic is 10 Mbps and the link is capable of 500 Mbps, it won't > >>>>> be on the air very much of the time. So it doesn't need the > >>>>> frequency all to itself. We are doing a lot of urban links and > >>>>> share the frequencies with all sorts of stuff, including "Cable > >>>>> WiFi" (all over, even below 5250, ugh), but it doesn't kill > >>>>> performance, at least for the type of moderate load applications > >>>>> (mostly cameras) we're supporting on 5 GHz. > >>>>> > >>>>> We do most of the backhaul on higher frequencies but 5 GHz is > >>>>> sometimes used as a backup to take over during rain fade. > During > >>>>> the storm last week that brought a tornado just a few subway > >>>>> stops from downtown Boston, we even lost 11 GHz links for time. > >>>>> The rainfall was off the charts for the second time in a month. > >>>>> But 5 Ghz links hardly noticed it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Also to Mimosa's credit, it comes with a 44 cm 25 dB dish, whose > >>>>> narrowness helps with frequency reuse. It will probably produce > >>>>> a lot less clutter than outdoor access points, or even some > >>>>> indoor access points that use more power than necessary. (We > put > >>>>> a NanoBridge 5G25 on a hilltop and were able to pick up WLANs > >>>>> inside office towers four miles away.) And they are petitioning > >>>>> the FCC to open up 10 GHz under Part 90 (light licensing, like > >> 3650). > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Hoppes > >>>>> <mhop...@indigowireless.com > >>>>> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Oh dear.... so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz > spectrum? > >>>>> > >>>>> AF5 + Mimosa.... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Matt Hoppes > >>>>> Director of Information Technology > >>>>> Indigo Wireless > >>>>> +1 (570) 723-7312 <%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> < > tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 <%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > >>>>> > Have to give them credit on the website. 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