Glad that someone asked - LTE Advanced using 8x8 MIMO can do 30 bits per Hertz.
That is quite the improvement obviously! The limitations are important though as the "Shannon - Hartley" research shows. Daniel Gino Villarini <[email protected]> wrote .. > Bit late on this, but the announcement is based on licensed spectrum and > the ability for carriers to aggregate various spectrum assets on the same > RAN. Its definetly does not apply for Unlicensed Spectrum. > > Cant get more efficient than this, show me a technology that could deliver > 21 bits per hz using the same 200 mhz on any geographic regionŠ > > > > Gino A. Villarini > President > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > www.aeronetpr.com > @aeronetpr > > > > > > > On 12/10/14, 12:14 PM, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >I agreed with not setting specific interfaces on spectrum, which was a > >problem we had in Canada back in the 1990s, but the FCC has in the past > >allowed things - namely a certain 4G operator using satellite spectrum > >for terrestrial use - where existings users - anyone with GPS technology > >- were supposed to deal with their own 'lack of steel-toed boots' and > >instead it fell apart. Being in 'new' spectrum in this case should make > >things easier for you in the U.S.A. > > > >Canada has gone back to look at its use of 3.5 GHz and there may be > >developments here that change the landscape a bit so stay tuned to our > >developments! > > > >Daniel > > > > > >Patrick Leary <[email protected]> wrote .. > >> ....re those comments in 2002, here's an example. During the Spectrum > >>Policy Task > >> Force, there were some elements of industry trying to insist the FCC > >>codify Wi-Fi > >> as the only standard accepted for use in future unlicensed bands. I > >>argued aggressively > >> against this, with this being my opening salvo Found on page 102 of the > >>transcript): > >> > >> 3 MR. LEARY: I'm sorry. Patrick Leary > >> 4 with Alvarion. If I walk into a crowded Egyptian > >> 5 bazaar without any shoes and I cut my feet, or I > >> 6 get my toes stepped on, is it the fault -- whose > >> 7 fault is it? It's my fault because I chose the > >> 8 wrong technology. > >> 9 The same person could back into that > >> 10 same bazaar with a pair of steel-toed boots and be > >> 11 just fine. If that same bazaar, if there's 3,000 > >> 12 people in there, and 2,000 of them don't wear > >> 13 shoes, and 2,000 of them get hurt, yes, there's a > >> 14 problem, but that still is not the problem of the > >> 15 band. It's the problem of the predominant choice, > >> 16 being chosen by most of those people, so I would > >> 17 caution, just as Professor Lessig was saying, you > >> 18 know. The myth of congestion is in large, a > >> 19 comment about the technology itself that's been > >> 20 deployed, not about the band itself so, you know, > >> 21 if you start protecting for this one prevailing > >> 22 standard, of which I also participate in to some > >> 23 degree then, you know, you stifle innovation and > >> 24 you're protecting the wrong things. > >> > >> Patrick Leary > >> M 727.501.3735 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > >>Behalf > >> Of Patrick Leary > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:27 AM > >> To: [email protected]; WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and > >>FDD Carrier > >> Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G > >> > >> Paolo, > >> > >> As Mike notes, WISPA has had a number of webinars on the topic. Here is > >>my understanding > >> of what's to be expected, in part, of the emerging rules. NOTE: THIS > >>MAY NOT BE > >> WHAT ACTUALLY EMERGES AS THE RULES, it comprises MY educated > >>expectation. None > >> have a better understanding though than Steve Coran and it is well > >>worth a consultation > >> fee for any U.S.-based operator to have a dedicated call with him. > >> > >> I will offer some international perspective here as well for your > >>benefit there > >> in Italy. > >> > >> - 100 MHz of spectrum, divided in 10 MHz channels per census blocks > >>(tricky) > >> - Of this, 30-50% MAY be auctioned off, though "auction" process is > >>likely not > >> to follow traditional cumbersome process, but some low burden > >>streamlined method > >> - remaining 70% (7 10 MHz channels) will be open for free, > >>opportunistic use > >> - Of this, it seems FCC may limit any individual operator from > >>acquiring more that > >> 30% (3 channels) > >> - "ownership" likely to be purchased in yearly blocks, up to 3 years > >>max perhaps > >> - HOWEVER...even if one "owns" some of this spectrum, others can use it > >>IF the > >> owners have not built in the spectrum. And then, once and if the owners > >>DO build, > >> the borg (as I call it) like Google or Spectrum Bridge who'll be > >>dynamically managing > >> base station channels (all connected to the cloud) will relocate the > >>opportunistic > >> user to open spectrum, returning back the exclusive spectrum to the > >>owner now actively > >> using it > >> - this borg will have the government contract to manage the spectrum > >>following > >> a methodology akin to how TVWS works currently, though management may > >>be more granular > >> (if Google has its way, and I think more granularity is better, as it > >>would open > >> use more broadly) > >> - potential power seems undetermined at this point, but may exceed > >>current 3.65 > >> for hyper rural areas, similar to the Canadian model (could be huge) > >> - there will likely be a prioritization scheme whereby certain defined > >>sets of > >> users will granted use priority, meaning the borg moves other users > >>away from their > >> active channels, moving them to open channels > >> > >> I understand some of this sounds impossible, but that's because many of > >>us don't > >> yet understand what's meant by "dynamic" as it relates to machines > >>talking to machines > >> in real time. > >> > >> A reason I submit this all matters internationally is that U.S. > >>adoption of this > >> band for commercial use will help drive scale, further reducing cost > >>globally and > >> encouraging lots of device makers to build devices (what the LTE world > >>calls "UEs" > >> for the band -- a cell phone is a UE, as is a fixed wireless CPE). I > >>fully expect > >> things like IP cameras, traffic systems, parking meters, etc. to have > >>embedded > >> 3.5x LTE chipsets, not to mention gobs of traditional fixed wireless > >>"UE" options. > >> > >> Over the years, I've been pretty spot on with my market predictions re > >>fixed wireless > >> -- which companies survive, which spectrum comes along, use uptake, > >>etc. -- and > >> in some cases I've played a literal direct role in enabling it (see my > >>comments > >> in this FCC transcript re advised rules for 3.65 band way back in 2002, > >>3 years > >> before it was released > >>http://transition.fcc.gov/sptf/files/0801fcc.pdf). I am > >> hoping my streak continues. > >> > >> > >> Patrick Leary > >> M 727.501.3735 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > >>Behalf > >> Of Paolo Di Francesco > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:18 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and > >>FDD Carrier > >> Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G > >> > >> will that spectrum be licensed? > >> > >> > >> > Those are good points Mike, and it explains one reason I'm so excited > >> > over 3.550-3.650 MHz. I think the coming spectrum is a game changer > >> > for many reasons, this among them. > >> > > >> > *Patrick Leary* > >> > > >> > ***M*727.501.3735 > >> > > >> > <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet> > >> > > >> > > >> > *From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > >> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:26 AM > >> > *To:* WISPA General List > >> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD > >> > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G > >> > > >> > I know of eICIC. It's still increasing efficiency as you're now doing > >> > this all in one channel everywhere vs. one channel per radio or a > >> > couple channels per tower. > >> > > >> > That said, in unlicensed spectrum that is busy like 5 GHz or 2.4, > >> > you're not going to use the same channel everywhere as it would be > >> > impossible to do so due to external interferers. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- > >> > Mike Hammett > >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> > http://www.ics-il.com > >> > > >> > Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image > >>removed > >> > by sender. > >> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image > >> > removed by sender. > >> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Imag > >> > e removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > -- > >> > > >> > *From: *"Patrick Leary" <[email protected]> > >> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >> > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:22:36 AM > >> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD > >> > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G > >> > > >> > It is beyond basic concepts like increased efficiency. LTE goes much > >> > further. See my last post. > >> > > >> > *Patrick Leary* > >> > > >> > *M*727.501.3735 > >> > > >> > <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet> > >> > > >> > > >> > *From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > >> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:41 AM > >> > *To:* WISPA General List > >> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD > >> > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G > >> > > >> > Why not allow both? > >> > > >> > I think every vendor is releasing equipment with better spectral > >> > efficiency. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- > >> > Mike Hammett > >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> > http://www.ics-il.com > >> > > >> > Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image > >>removed > >> > by sender. > >> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image > >> > removed by sender. > >> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Imag > >> > e removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > -- > >> > > >> > *From: *"daniel mullen" <[email protected]> > >> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >> > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:36:58 AM > >> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD > >> > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G > >> > > >> > It is a better idea we get higher throughput with better modulations > >> > instead of simply grabbing larger pieces of spectrum. We cannot make > >> > ever larger channel sizes without running into problems! > >> > > >> > > >> > Daniel > >> > > >> > > >> > Gino Villarini <[email protected]> wrote .. > >> > > How is that going to make a difference? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Gino A. Villarini > >> > > President > >> > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > >> > > www.aeronetpr.com > >> > > @aeronetpr > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On 12/9/14, 11:11 PM, "[email protected]" > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to > >>do > >> > > >10x channel sizes! > >> > > > > >> > > >Daniel > >> > > > > >> > > >Gino Villarini <[email protected]> wrote .. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> ow.ly/FBFcX > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Gino A. 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