Couple of points: 1. I have one of those $25,000 White Elephants also... argh!!!
2. In your example, you can do 4 of the WiTango jobs in the same time as the 1 PHP job, thus earning your company the same amount. > -----Original Message----- > From: Web Dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT: contest - top 10 reasons to upgrade > are... > > > >to the question of costs: > > > >software is typically depreciated over 18 months with good reason. > >That's the average useful lifespan before it needs to be upgraded. > >You can delay the upgrade, but there are unknown costs associated > >with that. It's just like a roof. It wears out over a period of > >time and needs to be replaced. You can patch it for a while, but at > >a certain point, you need to replace. > >Tango was one of the cheapest alternatives around and witango > >continues with one of the cheapest licensing prices and lowest cost > >of ownership. > > I have to disagree here. My version of Tango 2000 corporate cost > around 25,000 dollars. Does not seem too cheap to me. Also, when you > talk management into dishing out that kind of cash, and then go back > later and tell them they need to upgrade to fix a problem with the > software. it kind of sticks in their craw that thay have to dish out > more for an upgrade. Granted this is not With's problem. But a > Pervasive's. AND when you tell management about all the money you are > going to save for your clients, if you think about it, that is money > out of our companies pocket too. > > Example > > I use php (free) > project length = 200 hours > 200X100.00 = $20,000 > My company gets $20,000 > > I use Tango (lots) > project length = 50 hours (realistic I think because I fugure I can > do the same work in 1/4th time) > 50X100.00 = $5,000 > My company gets $5,000 > > This is how a manager would look at it. > > > > > Cheaper than open source, in fact, because it's simpler to run, and > >cheaper than cold fusion or gawd forbid MS's .net. (Word on the > >street from experienced folks is that if you are using .NET, you > >take your highest estimate for time and cost and then triple it. > >Longest development time of any alternative, in fact.) > > > >and when talking to a suit: > > > >- a feature, function, or capability is "blah blah blah" to them. > >Even tech-savvy. > > > >When someone gave me one of those, I'd ask, "Where would you need > >this?" and they'd think and come up with an example, to which I'd > >offer, "Can't you get to the same solution this other way so you > >don't need that new feature?" > > > >or > > > >- if they'd say something was faster or somehow better, "Is that our > >biggest problem now? Is the biggest user complaint the speed of an > >application and you've traced that down to this function?" Whereupon > >the techie would stutter. > > > >therefore: don't talk features and benefits to a suit. If they are > >paying attention, it sounds like, "PULL!" and they take an easy shot. > > > > > > > > > >On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 07:50 AM, Cornelius Conboy wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>Management types, eh? Here are some bullit points translated > from English > >>into management > >> > >>Greater NPV* to the project brought about by lower developmental costs. > >> > >>Ease of conceptualization leading to higher awareness and > communication flow > >>to the project stakeholders. > >> > >>Basic SWOT** analysis shows increased stability leading > directly to stronger > >>infrastructure foundation. > >> > >>The upgrade represents a change that presents an oportunity to > promote real > >>understanding of the underlying technology. > >> > >> > >>-Cornelius > >> > >> > >> > >>* Net Present Value - managers love to use this as a metric to > help decide > >>which projects to implement > >>** Strength, Weakness, Opportunity, Threats. Classic tool used > by marketing > >>departments. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>on 7/30/03 3:34 PM, Wilcox, Jamileh (HSC) at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>>OK, I've got to justify why we need to upgrade our Tango2000 to > >>>Witango5. ROI-type stuff. (Not counting the patch needed for the > >>>buffer overflow; I'm counting on that as a final ace.) > >>> > >>>This is for pseudo-techie, bottom-line-obsessed management types. I > >>>don't speak mgt-ese and I'm not entirely sure of some of the technical > >>>details in the upgrade version. Plus I may have missed some > >>>improvements/features of the new software. > >>> > >>>Any suggestions or corrections would be much appreciated. > >>> > >>> > >>>This is what I've got so far (scrounged from Witango press releases & > >>>the list archives): > >>> > >>>Improved Dev Studio for faster, easier development > >>> > >>>Improved server performance/speed > >>>Improved server stability > >>>Improved threading/multitasking > >>>Improved email functionality > >>>Improved debugging facilities > >>>Improved error/exception reporting and handling > >>>Improved variable functionality and handling > >>> > >>>Improved interfaces with non-web client apps > >>>*(by this, I mean the C++ and Java interfaces mentioned by Witango > >>>- I've not used these yet so I'm not sure how to describe it) > >>>Improved object interfaces > >>>*(here I'm talking about the com & javabean object discussions I've > >>>seen on the list > >>>- I've not used these yet so I'm not sure how to describe it) > >>> > >>>or are those last two the same thing? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Anything else y'all can think of? > >>> > >>>It seems like there's someone else that's in the same boat I > am (budget > >>>crunch &/or difficult management) - please feel free to swipe the > >>>finished list if'n ya needs it. > >>> > >>> > >>>First prize is a virtual Hershey bar; all other entries receive a > >>>virtual Chiclet. ;^P > >>> > >>> > >>>Thanks for any help you can offer! > >>> > >>>jamileh > >>>_______________________________________________________________ > _______ __ > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf > >>> > >> > >> > >>________________________________________________________________ > _______ _ > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf > >> > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf > > > -- > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf > ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
