Hey Robert, We too have intermitant problems with browsers, but our problems come more in the way of javascript not always functioning (we use javascript to make sure dates are valid etc, keep the user in bounds) and browsers arent always passing the arguments like they should.
Its very odd and disturbing and somewhat frustrating when you have errors that disrupt your clients work flow that are because the browser isnt doing what its supposed to! We have found that browsers for macs have a whole slew of problems and that mac IE is a terrible product...in some versions some of the intermittant argument passing is there so you upgrade and then at the next version thats fixed but then its something else. just wanted you to know were feelin your pain too (; ::growl:: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:14 AM Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Loss of Session State Issues. > The only thing I would add to that phil, is that I have the problem > with browsers when I am sure cookies are not disabled with the old > delete code, and it is intermittent. Mostly not working, sometimes > working. > > I am using the default setup on the server for userkey, and do no > altering of cookies and such. > > Thank you for the info on how the newer servers look for userreference. > > Robert. > > On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 11:43 PM, Phil Wade wrote: > > > I should note here that post args were not searched in T2K or Witango 5 > > prior to the 058 build when the server was trying to locate the user > > reference so the T2K server would only look in the cookies and > > searchargs. > > > > The 5.0.1.058 server and above looks for a user reference in the > > following > > order: > > > > 1. user reference cookie > > 2. user reference search arg > > 3. user reference post arg > > > > Once a user reference is found, the server will no longer continue to > > search > > for a user reference in the remaining contexts so now the server will > > use > > the first user reference found and not the last. > > > > Search arguments can only be up to 255 chars long so if the server > > receives > > concatenated search arg data from the Browser it just uses it. For > > this > > reason if you are not using user reference cookies and are relying on > > the > > user reference search arg it is important to put the user reference at > > the > > beginning of the search args, not at the end. > > > > These changes should not have any affect on existing code, except to > > make > > the delete of the search builders work with browsers that have cookies > > disabled (see code below). The delete action passed the user > > reference via > > a postarg and always created a new user session in this instance. > > This was > > not a big issue as the search builder did not rely on any user > > variables > > until it was extended by a user. > > > > Phil > > > > On 20/8/03 2:31 PM, "Robert Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> The interesting thing about this, is I have a bunch of simple web > >> admin > >> apps with the witango default code, and I haven't had the problem > >> before. I think it started around v058 or so. > >> > >> If I use this code: > >> > >> <form method=post action="<@appfile>" name=deleteMe> > >> <input type=hidden name="_userreference" value="<@userreference>"> > >> <input type=hidden name="CommonlabSchedule_uid1" value="<@COLUMN > >> "Common.epxLessonSched.rowid">"> > >> <input type=hidden name="_function" value="delete"> > >> <INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="Delete Record"> > >> </form> > >> > >> It seems to work reliably, So I will have to make a lot of minor > >> changes. > >> > >> Robert. > >> > >> On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 08:50 PM, Scott Cadillac wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Robert, > >>> > >>> When METHOD=GET is used in an HTML form, like in your first example, > >>> all the > >>> FORM element names and values (such as your hidden fields) are > >>> automatically > >>> concatenated to the value of the ACTION attribute. This then appears > >>> in the > >>> address bar of your browser. > >>> > >>> BUT....if the ACTION attribute already contains other search > >>> arguments > >>> (such > >>> as <@USERREFERENCEARGUMENT>), then they are sometimes replaced by the > >>> concatenated FORM elements. This is a classic pain-in-the-*** issue. > >>> > >>> Your <@USERREFERENCEARGUMENT> is being removed which can cause you to > >>> loose > >>> Session state. In the first FORM example, just replace METHOD=GET > >>> with > >>> METHOD=POST and it should work. > >>> > >>> But of course, that doesn't explain your second or third example, or > >>> why > >>> your Session-cookie didn't pickup the slack. > >>> > >>> Are Session-cookies disabled deliberately in your browser? If so, > >>> then > >>> checking things like <@USERREFERENCEARGUMENT> for all your links will > >>> be > >>> necessary. This includes the TAF files before your actual delete > >>> request. > >>> > >>> Also, checking the value of your USERKEY setting in witango.ini could > >>> be > >>> important too. > >>> > >>> If Session-cookies are supposed to be working, then something strange > >>> is > >>> certainly happening. > >>> > >>> Have you tried seeing what's being passed back and forth with an HTTP > >>> Sniffer of some kind? This will show you exactly the values are being > >>> sent > >>> to the Server (both session-cookies and GET and POST arguments). I > >>> recommend > >>> www.httpsniffer.com > >>> > >>> Hope this helps. Cheers.... > >>> > >>> Scott Cadillac, > >>> Witango.org - http://witango.org > >>> 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> -- > >>> Information for the Witango Developer Community > >>> --------------------- > >>> > >>> XML-Extranet - http://xml-extra.net > >>> 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> -- > >>> Well-formed Development (for hire) > >>> --------------------- > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Robert Garcia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:23 PM > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Subject: Witango-Talk: Loss of Session State Issues. > >>> > >>> > >>> I have been having some problems for a while with some admin pages > >>> that > >>> require a login, so session state is paramount. > >>> > >>> If I use the standard code Witango uses for deleting a record, most > >>> of > >>> the > >>> time, state is lost: > >>> > >>> <FORM METHOD=GET ACTION="<@APPFILE>?<@userreferenceargument>"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="_function" VALUE="delete"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="CommonlabSchedule_uid1" VALUE="<@COLUMN > >>> "Common.epxLessonSched.rowid">"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="Delete"> > >>> </FORM> > >>> > >>> I have also tried these variations: > >>> > >>> <FORM METHOD=GET ACTION="<@APPFILE>"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="_function" VALUE="delete"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="CommonlabSchedule_uid1" VALUE="<@COLUMN > >>> "Common.epxLessonSched.rowid">"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="_userReference" VALUE="<@UserReference>"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="Delete"> > >>> </FORM> > >>> > >>> <FORM METHOD=POST ACTION="<@APPFILE>"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="_function" VALUE="delete"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="CommonlabSchedule_uid1" VALUE="<@COLUMN > >>> "Common.epxLessonSched.rowid">"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="_userReference" VALUE="<@UserReference>"> > >>> <INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="Delete"> > >>> </FORM> > >>> > >>> > >>> However, if I use this code, I never lose state: > >>> > >>> <p><a > >>> href="<@appfile>?_function=delete&CommonlabSchedule_uid1=<@COLUMN > >>> "Common.epxLessonSched.rowid">&<@userreferenceargument>">Delete this > >>> Record</p> > >>> > >>> Anyone else having these issues, or have any ideas? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Robert Garcia > >>> President - BigHead Technology > >>> CTO - eventpix.com > >>> 2781 N Carlmont Pl > >>> Simi Valley, Ca 93065 > >>> ph: 805.522.8577 - cell: 805.501.1390 > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ - http://theradmac.com/ > >>> > >>> _____________________________________________________________________ > >>> __ > >>> _ > >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf > >>> > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > _ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf > > > > > > -- > > Robert Garcia > President - BigHead Technology > CTO - eventpix.com > 2781 N Carlmont Pl > Simi Valley, Ca 93065 > ph: 805.522.8577 - cell: 805.501.1390 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ - http://theradmac.com/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
