But the FF web developer toolbar is SO handy! I find it especially useful for solving cross-browser css issues, using the outliner to show me the problematic sections (which are never problematic in FF, but can be in MacIE, for example). I'm always using the html and css validation tools.
And the form analysis tool is faster than viewing source. Though I seldom use it the Info tool can be handy, as can the cookie tool. -- Bill ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Robert Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:02:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: [OT] Mac OS question > The latest FF is universal, and I have not experienced any issues. > But since the intel machines, I almost never use it anymore, cuz > safari on the intel machines (compared to ppc), is like taking car > and putting a rocket engine in it. Safari used to hang and slow down > all the time, and I had to use all kinds of methods I had gleaned > from forums and stuff to tweak it. Not any more, just use the > default setup, and it screams. > > -- > > Robert Garcia > President - BigHead Technology > VP Application Development - eventpix.com > 13653 West Park Dr > Magalia, Ca 95954 > ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ > > On May 29, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Dan Stein wrote: > > > Scoot, > > > > I have found these latest builds of safari seem to have many less > > problems > > then earlier ones. I am running > > Version 2.0.3 (417.9.3) > > > > I have not run not the same volume of JS errors as in the past. > > > > Unfortunately I am not finding FireFox for Mac to be as stable as the > > windows version. > > > > Hopefully the universal binary versions of these things will clean > > that up. > > > > Then again we have IE 7 and Vista coming sometime in this lifetime > > that we > > will have to deal with. > > > > > > > > on 5/29/06 13:29, Scott Cadillac at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> Thank you Steve, > >> > >> I appreciate your words. > >> > >> Actually I've wanted to do this for years, but the demand just > >> wasn't there, > >> considering I have in the past spent most of my time building > >> intranet-style > >> business applications. I have yet to encounter a large corporation > >> that uses > >> Mac workstations. > >> > >> But now I'm working on a very large public-facing system that > >> happens to have > >> a fair contingent of Mac users. > >> > >> For the past couple years I regularly test with Mozilla-based > >> browsers i.e., > >> Firefox, which I understand renders consistently on Mac as it does > >> on Windows. > >> > >> It's that d*** Safari that's the problem ;-) > >> > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:14 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: [OT] Mac OS question > >>> > >>> Well as long as you are testing with Mac OS which of course > >>> was the original point of this thread. I'm sure the other Mac > >>> users would agree, we absolutely hate those Windows > >>> developers that are so narrow minded as to only test with the > >>> latest and greatest and expect everyone else to spend as much > >>> time keeping things up-to-date. > >>> > >>> I hope that many more Windows developers take your approach > >>> and treat the other platforms with respect. > >>> > >>> As a Mac user... > >>> > >>> Thank you! > >>> > >>> > >>> Steve Smith > >>> > >>> Oakbridge Information Solutions > >>> Oakville Office: (416) 628-0793 > >>> Cambridge Office: (519) 489-0142 > >>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Web: www.oakbridge.ca <http://www.oakbridge.ca/> > >>> > >>> Certified DayLite <http://www.oakbridge.ca/daylite.tml> > >>> Premier Partners > >>> > >>> > >>> On 27-May-06, at 6:13 PM, Scott Cadillac wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Stephen, > >>> > >>> I used to think the same thing about Virtual Machines, > >>> but I've been using VMWare now nearly everyday for over 3 > >>> years now - and I've never encountered a visual or function > >>> difference in how a Virtual Machine performs over real hardware. > >>> > >>> There is a slight performance decrease of course, when > >>> compared to the host Operating System, and full-motion video > >>> will struggle a little, but it's no less different than > >>> running on a real machine with slightly lower hardware specs > >>> than the host machine. > >>> > >>> I even spent two years doing a huge development project > >>> with Visual Studio, SQL Server 2000 and Crystal Report where > >>> the whole works was hosted inside a Windows 2000 Advanced > >>> Server running as a Virtual Machine. Never had a problem. > >>> > >>> I can boot all versions of Windows, and a wide matrix > >>> of browsers for testing. I even have Ubuntu Linux running for > >>> testing some real crap browsers. > >>> > >>> And as I type, I happen to be installing Windows Vista > >>> Beta2 - on the same machine. > >>> > >>> Ain't software fun? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:28 PM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: [OT] Mac OS question > >>> > >>> I'm not sure what form of testing you are > >>> hoping for but if > >>> is to test an application that will eventually > >>> be viewed on a > >>> Mac, then using any form of VM is not the way > >>> to go. I don't > >>> trust VM for true testing of an end user's experience. > >>> > >>> Also look into the cost of OS X on it's own vs. > >>> the cost of a > >>> Mini. According to the Apple Canada web site: > >>> > >>> > >>> Mac Mini $699 in the base configuration which > >>> includes OS X > >>> Mac OS X $149 for single user > >>> > >>> $550 might seem like a lot but I believe that > >>> it will be well > >>> worth the investment. Especially if you run > >>> Boot Camp on it > >>> which will allow it to run as an extra Windows machine. > >>> > >>> Just my 2 cents (which hey, is almost worth 2 > >>> cents US!!!) > >>> > >>> Steve Smith > >>> > >>> Oakbridge Information Solutions > >>> Oakville Office: (416) 628-0793 > >>> Cambridge Office: (519) 489-0142 > >>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Web: www.oakbridge.ca <http://www.oakbridge.ca/> > >>> > >>> Certified DayLite > >>> <http://www.oakbridge.ca/daylite.tml> > >>> Premier Partners > >>> > >>> > >>> On 26-May-06, at 9:27 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> For those of you in the know, > >>> > >>> I am considering an attempt to install Mac OS X as a > >>> VMWare virtual machine, as a test environment > >>> for my apps > >>> with Safari and other Mac-based browsers. There > >>> are several > >>> unofficial instructions on how to do this, with > >>> a bit of searching. > >>> > >>> My question is: Does the latest version of OS X > >>> automatically support Intel, or do I need a > >>> special version? > >>> > >>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/ > >>> > >>> When I click on the link to buy, the hardware > >>> requirements simply says "PowerPC G5, G4 or G3 > >>> processor". > >>> > >>> Any insight would be helpful, thanks. > >>> > >>> Scott Cadillac, > >>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> http://scott.cadillac.bz > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> __________ > >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to > >>> http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> __________ > >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to > >>> http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> __________ > >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to > >>> http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> __________ > >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > >>> > >> > >> _____________________________________________________________________ > >> ___ > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > >> > > > > -- > > Dan Stein > > FileMaker 7 Certified Developer > > Digital Software Solutions > > 799 Evergreen Circle > > Telford PA 18969 > > Land: 215-799-0192 > > Cell: 610-256-2843 > > Fax 413-410-9682 > > FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, CWP > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.dss-db.com > > > > > > "When you are born, you cry and those who love you rejoice. > > And if you > > live your life as you should, when you die, you rejoice and those who > > love you cry." > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf ------- End of Original Message ------- ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
