Lawn mowers don't come with non-transferable license agreements
Robert. This is a poor analogy.
And no, I'm not making a big deal of this because Phil is ignoring his
user-base - you are.
I'm making a big deal of this because your words and intended actions
are wrong.
Scott,
On Sep-22-2009, at 4:22 PM, Robert Garcia wrote:
I agree that by this time, if you had not had a backup plan, or
other arrangements, it would be poor planning on your end. I don't
mean it as a threat, even if phil asked me on list or privately to
not send the keys out, although the product IS dead, I wouldn't do
it. If he said, no comment on anything, but don't send the keys out,
I wouldn't do it. Its like if someone loans you their lawn mower.
You don't need it anymore and another guy asks for it. I am
attempting to get permission from first guy, but he moved away, left
no forwarding address. So I post a note in the paper and give him a
week. If no answer, I assume he is gone and doesn't care so I let
the second guy, who could really use it take the lawn mower.
I think the only reason you or anyone else think this could be a big
issue, is because you can actually imagine a scenario where Phil
(witango inc) is still around, but would purposely and actively
ignore his user base for a LONG period of time. Which is sad. Anyone
else, you would assume they left and its over.
--
Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040
[email protected] - [email protected]
http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/
On Sep 22, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote:
You're right on the money Mark,
Another way to put it is "two wrongs don't make a right", or "you
can't fight fire with fire".
The fact that support for Witango has been reduced to the
unprofessional situation it is, doesn't mean we should continue to
perpetuate more unprofessional conduct, such as what has been
circulating on this list for so many years, as well as recently.
And for those others who still subscribe to this List; Pervasive
dumped Tango flat-out 9 years ago, with nary a buyer in sight, the
product was worthless in their view. If that wasn't a clear enough
indicator that it was time to switch platforms, I don't know what is.
Then the next year along comes this individual that few if any had
heard of, with some small business sense and only a big heart to
back him up - will this one guy solve our problems? Many "hoped"
so. But is "hope" good enough to continue banking our livings on?
From this point, if anybody continued to invest in Witango - you
did so at your own risk.
The writing has been on the wall for 9 years - 9 YEARS [one more
and it'll be 10!], so if people feel they have been burned by
Phil... well, that's what happens when you can't stop yourself from
gambling. Eventually you lose.
As for who started the unprofessional death-spiral, I think fingers
can be pointed in a lot of directions that don't necessarily take
you down-under.
I haven't had personal correspondence with Phil or Sophie in over 3
or 4 years I think, so I have no idea what they're up to, but I
don't blame them one bit for not answering the threats or insults
that come from some people on this List.
Scott,
On Sep-22-2009, at 12:48 PM, Mark Weiss wrote:
Scott,
As much respect as I have for Robert, and I do, he isn't perfect
as we all know. We aren't either. Reminds me of a story.. Mother
having a baby. In distress. Country doctor can't be found. He
finally shows up, sees the situation acts quickly and it seems
everything was resolved. A few days later, the mother died of the
disease the doctor was treating at the home prior to arriving to
deliver the baby. The father became angry and more angry. This
doctor should have been more careful. He should not be allowed to
practice. A terrible wrong had been committed and he needed to pay
for it.
One day, this man's spiritual leader offered this council. "John,
leave it alone. Nothing you can do will bring her back. Everything
you do will only make it worse. John, leave it alone." Many years
later, the bereaved father said, "I was an old man before I could
see. I was an old man before I saw a country doctor, over worked
underpaid, saving lives for the most part, with few tools and
implements. I would have ruined his life and my own, except for
the wise counsel of my spiritual leader, "John, leave it alone."
As angry as I have been over how poorly I have been treated by
Phil at times and their company for a long time now, at this
point, when all reasonable approaches have been tried and efforts
exhausted, my giving this injustice any energy only would hurt me.
It would take away from productive pursuits I am involved in. Why
hurt them? Because I have been hurt? So I suggest, "Leave it
alone. Let it die a quiet death in our lives." Perhaps he has
found a new market in China we don't know about. Whatever his
reason for his inaction and lack of communication, let's just
leave it alone and remember the good times and enjoy the
relationships we developed. Let's just leave Phil alone.
I know from personal experience that sometimes, you just have to
walk away, mourn the loss and then move on. In time, you get over
it, the hurt I mean. As for Robert, this has led to a very very
profitable change to Zend and PHP. Others as well. If that is all
it did, isn't that really good enough? Part of a process. Nothing
more nothing less?
I suppose this pontificating may not be appreciated by all. Sorry
if it offends.
D Mark Weiss
Office 1-435-752-4265 x 126 Days
cell 435.764.3529
[email protected]
SKYPE - dadweiss
On Sep 22, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote:
Robert,
Witango may be a dead product, but that doesn't mean that someone
isn't still in legal control of the licensing.
To openly publish license keys is a unprofessionally stupid move
in my opinion.
Scott,
On Sep-21-2009, at 2:10 PM, Robert Garcia wrote:
So I have a bunch of request for keys. I don't have a problem
sharing them, the product seems obviously dead. And the people
asking are asking for seemingly good reasons, and they are what
I would consider respected members of this group.
So I get one response, "that key didn't seem to work", etc. I
would rather not have to give tech support of this issue. So, I
will post all of my witango keys up by the end of the week. I
give to the end of the week in case someone at witango inc wants
to wake up and tell all these people looking for answers
something. If I don't here anything from witango, I am just
going to post all of my keys, and I am sure some others will
follow suit.
So will the food left at the dungeon door be eaten?
--
Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040
[email protected] - [email protected]
http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/
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