Perhaps there is an occassional sale that comes in, once a month or so and With doesn't want to kill it.
I know... I know... That would be a really nasty thing to do... But could there any other reason? I can't find any. Has anyone tried purchasing a license lately? Now that would be interesting. Hey... I just had a thought!!!! Maybe there is a a whole new Witango, forum, support, etc. out there and we don't even know it! Could we be on the wrong mailing list???? Mmmm? -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: License Keys Lawn mowers don't come with non-transferable license agreements Robert. This is a poor analogy. And no, I'm not making a big deal of this because Phil is ignoring his user-base - you are. I'm making a big deal of this because your words and intended actions are wrong. Scott, On Sep-22-2009, at 4:22 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: > I agree that by this time, if you had not had a backup plan, or other > arrangements, it would be poor planning on your end. I don't mean it > as a threat, even if phil asked me on list or privately to not send > the keys out, although the product IS dead, I wouldn't do it. If he > said, no comment on anything, but don't send the keys out, I wouldn't > do it. Its like if someone loans you their lawn mower. > You don't need it anymore and another guy asks for it. I am attempting > to get permission from first guy, but he moved away, left no > forwarding address. So I post a note in the paper and give him a week. > If no answer, I assume he is gone and doesn't care so I let the second > guy, who could really use it take the lawn mower. > > I think the only reason you or anyone else think this could be a big > issue, is because you can actually imagine a scenario where Phil > (witango inc) is still around, but would purposely and actively ignore > his user base for a LONG period of time. Which is sad. Anyone else, > you would assume they left and its over. > > -- > > Robert Garcia > President - BigHead Technology > VP Application Development - eventpix.com > 13653 West Park Dr > Magalia, Ca 95954 > ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [email protected] - > [email protected] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ > > On Sep 22, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: > >> You're right on the money Mark, >> >> Another way to put it is "two wrongs don't make a right", or "you >> can't fight fire with fire". >> >> The fact that support for Witango has been reduced to the >> unprofessional situation it is, doesn't mean we should continue to >> perpetuate more unprofessional conduct, such as what has been >> circulating on this list for so many years, as well as recently. >> >> >> And for those others who still subscribe to this List; Pervasive >> dumped Tango flat-out 9 years ago, with nary a buyer in sight, the >> product was worthless in their view. If that wasn't a clear enough >> indicator that it was time to switch platforms, I don't know what is. >> >> Then the next year along comes this individual that few if any had >> heard of, with some small business sense and only a big heart to >> back him up - will this one guy solve our problems? Many "hoped" >> so. But is "hope" good enough to continue banking our livings on? >> From this point, if anybody continued to invest in Witango - you >> did so at your own risk. >> >> The writing has been on the wall for 9 years - 9 YEARS [one more >> and it'll be 10!], so if people feel they have been burned by >> Phil... well, that's what happens when you can't stop yourself from >> gambling. Eventually you lose. >> >> As for who started the unprofessional death-spiral, I think fingers >> can be pointed in a lot of directions that don't necessarily take >> you down-under. >> >> I haven't had personal correspondence with Phil or Sophie in over 3 >> or 4 years I think, so I have no idea what they're up to, but I >> don't blame them one bit for not answering the threats or insults >> that come from some people on this List. >> >> Scott, >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep-22-2009, at 12:48 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: >> >>> Scott, >>> >>> As much respect as I have for Robert, and I do, he isn't perfect >>> as we all know. We aren't either. Reminds me of a story.. Mother >>> having a baby. In distress. Country doctor can't be found. He >>> finally shows up, sees the situation acts quickly and it seems >>> everything was resolved. A few days later, the mother died of the >>> disease the doctor was treating at the home prior to arriving to >>> deliver the baby. The father became angry and more angry. This >>> doctor should have been more careful. He should not be allowed to >>> practice. A terrible wrong had been committed and he needed to pay >>> for it. >>> >>> One day, this man's spiritual leader offered this council. "John, >>> leave it alone. Nothing you can do will bring her back. Everything >>> you do will only make it worse. John, leave it alone." Many years >>> later, the bereaved father said, "I was an old man before I could >>> see. I was an old man before I saw a country doctor, over worked >>> underpaid, saving lives for the most part, with few tools and >>> implements. I would have ruined his life and my own, except for >>> the wise counsel of my spiritual leader, "John, leave it alone." >>> >>> As angry as I have been over how poorly I have been treated by >>> Phil at times and their company for a long time now, at this >>> point, when all reasonable approaches have been tried and efforts >>> exhausted, my giving this injustice any energy only would hurt me. >>> It would take away from productive pursuits I am involved in. Why >>> hurt them? Because I have been hurt? So I suggest, "Leave it >>> alone. Let it die a quiet death in our lives." Perhaps he has >>> found a new market in China we don't know about. Whatever his >>> reason for his inaction and lack of communication, let's just >>> leave it alone and remember the good times and enjoy the >>> relationships we developed. Let's just leave Phil alone. >>> >>> I know from personal experience that sometimes, you just have to >>> walk away, mourn the loss and then move on. In time, you get over >>> it, the hurt I mean. As for Robert, this has led to a very very >>> profitable change to Zend and PHP. Others as well. If that is all >>> it did, isn't that really good enough? Part of a process. Nothing >>> more nothing less? >>> >>> I suppose this pontificating may not be appreciated by all. Sorry >>> if it offends. >>> >>> >>> D Mark Weiss >>> Office 1-435-752-4265 x 126 Days >>> cell 435.764.3529 >>> [email protected] >>> SKYPE - dadweiss >>> >>> >>> On Sep 22, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: >>> >>>> Robert, >>>> >>>> Witango may be a dead product, but that doesn't mean that someone >>>> isn't still in legal control of the licensing. >>>> >>>> To openly publish license keys is a unprofessionally stupid move >>>> in my opinion. >>>> >>>> Scott, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep-21-2009, at 2:10 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: >>>> >>>>> So I have a bunch of request for keys. I don't have a problem >>>>> sharing them, the product seems obviously dead. And the people >>>>> asking are asking for seemingly good reasons, and they are what >>>>> I would consider respected members of this group. >>>>> >>>>> So I get one response, "that key didn't seem to work", etc. I >>>>> would rather not have to give tech support of this issue. So, I >>>>> will post all of my witango keys up by the end of the week. I >>>>> give to the end of the week in case someone at witango inc wants >>>>> to wake up and tell all these people looking for answers >>>>> something. If I don't here anything from witango, I am just >>>>> going to post all of my keys, and I am sure some others will >>>>> follow suit. >>>>> >>>>> So will the food left at the dungeon door be eaten? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Robert Garcia >>>>> President - BigHead Technology >>>>> VP Application Development - eventpix.com >>>>> 13653 West Park Dr >>>>> Magalia, Ca 95954 >>>>> ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 >>>>> [email protected] - [email protected] >>>>> http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ >>>>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/ >>>>> maillist.taf >>>>> >>>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf >>>> >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
